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Police: Halloween Gang Initiation Warnings Are False

By , About.com GuideOctober 31, 2008

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Emails and text messages ripped back and forth across the country on Friday, warning that a "Bloods initiation weekend" (or, in another version, "Crips initiation weekend") was scheduled to occur on Halloween, with 31 (or more) women targeted for random killings in various locations.

"Ladies and gents be on the look out for a silver SUV on Halloween, the Bloods must kill 31 women on Halloween. I pray that this is false but be careful all women," warned an email that originated in New York City but wound up circulating heavily in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania. Local police dismissed it as a hoax.

Police in New Jersey, Maryland, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, North Carolina, and Washington dismissed similar warnings, citing a lack of credible evidence.

As of Friday evening New York City remained a hotbed of rumor activity, however, with Internet postings claiming inside information predicting an increase in gang violence in East Harlem and Brooklyn over the weekend.

In a statement aired on NY1 News, police commissioner Ray Kelly said there was no evidence to substantiate any of it. "Halloween is the season of rumors. We know nothing specific about this threat. We've heard it because people were talking about what's out there, on the Internet, but we have no specific information to indicate that there's any validity to this rumor."  

Gang initiation rumors are always circulating, but the predicted mayhem rarely comes to pass. On Halloween 1997 the NYPD deployed a massive presence throughout the city in response to warnings from street sources that Bloods members were planning an "initiation day" rampage. According to a New York Times story published two days afterwards, it turned out to be the safest Halloween in decades.

Update:
NJ Man Arrested for Halloween Gang Initiation Hoax

Read more:
Police Deny Halloween Gang Violence Rumors
Police Discredit Gang Initiation Threat
Locals Field Threatening 'Gang' Text Messages
Police: Gang Warnings an Urban Myth
Oops: The Email that Panicked Stroudsburg School District
Sabagh: Gang Rumors Untrue
Gang Violence Expected in East Harlem Tonight

Comments

October 31, 2008 at 6:36 pm
(1) Jane says:

One girl was already killed by the bloods in my neighborhood today. Five girls dead in jersey today because of the bloods. You still think this is false??

October 31, 2008 at 7:28 pm
(2) JOHN says:

11 qurls killed in jersey . 6 qurls killed in broklyn . 2 qurls killed in fordam 1 in harlen . 2 qurls stabed in spelman . 2 other qurls in another catholic skooool.31 sliced up in 159 & meLrose

October 31, 2008 at 7:47 pm
(3) Lara says:

At least one girl gang-raped in Staten Island on her way to school, this AM. 10 girls slashed in the Bronx, at least 3 more on 125th Street. NYPD members have been warning their female friends. Ask them yourself, and then tell me this is a hoax!!!!

October 31, 2008 at 8:17 pm
(4) abera says:

This is all false, if such things did happen, it’d be throughout the news, which hasn’t been.

October 31, 2008 at 8:25 pm
(5) Cindy says:

What do you know, Abera? It happening now.. people are being warned. Don’t be ignorant.

October 31, 2008 at 8:40 pm
(6) allen says:

its all fake. not one incident reported. rapes happen in new york all the time. did the police claim the rape was gang related? halloween has been a perfect time for these hoaxes.

October 31, 2008 at 8:48 pm
(7) allen says:

i forgot to add if anyone wants to prove otherwise show credible news report that mentions gang members were involved. if you cant then its a load of bull.

October 31, 2008 at 8:58 pm
(8) Lara says:

Gang violence is rarely reported, because people don’t care about “poor people” getting hurt.

I am white, I know someone in the Bloods who warned friends in advance, and I know a child who was raped. You know nothing.

October 31, 2008 at 9:01 pm
(9) Lara says:

I do not mean “believe me, because I am white”. I mean most white people often say “those things are hoaxes”.

I am also a social worker living and working in the communities where the attacks occurred. I am convinced they will not be in the news.

October 31, 2008 at 9:08 pm
(10) allen says:

how does it not make it to the news. if it was gang related all the channels would hop onto the bandwagon and spread the news like wildfire. if this was real, the news would be all over this like a pack of starving hyena’s. this is newsworthy material and the news is there to get viewers. if this is true this would be considered the top story of the day.

October 31, 2008 at 9:14 pm
(11) allen says:

1 individual incident may not be reported but if a chain of events all related occurs the chief of police would be on the news right now telling everyone the NYPD is investigating this and how they are going to keep people safe.

October 31, 2008 at 9:26 pm
(12) Dale says:

It’s not true at all. The rumors are running wild and changing by the minute. I contacted my local police department to verify that this is a hoax!

I suggest you do the same.

October 31, 2008 at 9:36 pm
(13) Heffy says:

Well… I don’t really have a firm position on this. I personally don’t think that any of this crap is true, but i was just with a bunch of my friends who happen to be girls and you know the old saying, “prepare for the worst, hope for the best.” so i was a little on edge, but nothing happened. Even when i walked through the park, i didn’t see anything too abnormal, but there were a few more “shady guys” then i would have liked.

October 31, 2008 at 9:45 pm
(14) Lara says:

I don’t see why you care so much, Allen. The fact that parents and professionals are reporting this information clearly is not going to change your mind. You might as well find something better to do tonight…like maybe enjoy your Halloween.

October 31, 2008 at 9:56 pm
(15) MAx says:

All you who say it was fake is an idiot. first off ome of them get initiated in the “box” thats 31 secs of fighting. and in addition they talk around slicing people. it isnt a hoax. when was the last time you saw gang related activities in the media? they think that airing it on tv jus hypes gang members up and thats why it doesn’t come on the news. there has been atleast 3 shoot outs in front of my building. none ever touched air. don’t be fooled its real out here. those who don’t believe probably live in a fairy land and need to wake up all this shit is real drugs, killings, gangs itz not a joke for some itz a lifestyle and i dare you tell them to their faces that its a hoax

October 31, 2008 at 10:08 pm
(16) Viv says:

Lara, you’re a social worker?! God help us, you’re a moron. No professionals are reporting any information other than these are rumors. No attacks. Look at the news.

October 31, 2008 at 10:08 pm
(17) Spiderman says:

Lara, gang-rape in staten island is just a normal friday. Everyone, there’s always lots of crime on halloween cause you can get away with wearing a mask, it’s total bullshit.

October 31, 2008 at 10:11 pm
(18) Allen says:

I do care. but i am only a law student but i was taught to only listen to facts. as there are no factual information to support your claims or any other claims of gang related incidents any logical person would clearly see this as a hoax. I had plenty of professors who are practicing attorneys and they have all said never to believe anything anyone tells you but only believe credible sources.

October 31, 2008 at 10:12 pm
(19) sam says:

Actualllly
It was on the news… To be careful bc of this. Though they said It was male & females…..
My friend said her friend is a Blood & That he said its not true that they are “at war” w. Idk who but whoever crosses their path then they will get hurt……

I stood home today . Bc even if its just a rumor. Something always happens and there are these foolish kids who want to imitate… hope its not true but I’ve been told that Some girl was sliced in brooklyn and 9girls in Bronx were stabbed or sliced…

October 31, 2008 at 10:18 pm
(20) allen says:

sam prove it. cant prove it you are just another one of those that are spreading this useless rumor. there were no mentions of war. this is all over some alleged gang initiation ritual. supposedly if a person wants membership in the bloods they have to kill 31 women each. if this was real there would have been many more incidents than claimed. i went to a high school that was full of crips and if they each had to kill 31 women to join there would have been over 600 dead women. assuming not all of them joined at the same time at least 100 woman would have been killed. spread that over the entire new york city region then thousands of women would be dead by now

October 31, 2008 at 10:41 pm
(21) sam says:

Uhm if u read I SAiD
I was TOLD… so read again. & again my friend who is a RUBY.. Was Told by her boyfriend that it is untrue because they are “at war”… U see the quotation marks? ….

Anyways … Everyone be safe & enjoy halloween. Its mostly just tri-state area ;; also Rumor is that it ends tonight but other rumors say Tomorrow. Who knows. Just always keep ur eyes open bc Mass initiations are every halloween but Initiations are whenever. Also They usually get Jumped by about 8bloods to be initiated;& I can’t remember the other ways.

Oh &

October 31, 2008 at 10:53 pm
(22) Kenny says:

By now they should have killed the 31 girls…so it should be ok to go out now…

October 31, 2008 at 11:15 pm
(23) allen says:

ill quote you on your first statement
“Actualllly
It was on the news… To be careful bc of this. Though they said It was male & females…..”

where was this so called “news” story.

gang wars are small. gangs are broken up into sets and not all sets will be involved. your friend’s set might be be busy but if this allegation was true then it doesnt matter if his set arent involved.

http://thefolklorist.com/criminal/
according to this website not one official gang initiation has endangered the general public.

October 31, 2008 at 11:19 pm
(24) Marcy says:

As a person who lives and works in NYC, for those who say that this is a hoax it still isn’t changing the fact that there are still people being assaulted in NYC especially in the Bronx, Upper Manhattan and Brooklyn areas. During this time many gangs (not only the Bloods)choose this time to start their initiations. Maybe if you stepped outside of your little gated community and opened your eyes you wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss things like this

October 31, 2008 at 11:26 pm
(25) sam says:

Marcy I agreee 100000%

And Allen no ur Right YOU didn’t see the news segment so its not True… Hmm yea .. U have to see it for it to have actually aired. Lol oh & you need to get ur sources info UP bro ;; my ex is a blood and yes your “general public” is involved just because it isn’t listed doesn’t mean no one has been attacked… Get to Know someone before you state that one.

October 31, 2008 at 11:27 pm
(26) allen says:

gated community? i live near the projects (about a 10 minute walk). my best friend’s girlfriend lives in the coney island projects. my sister roamed around flatbush today with 6 other girls.

October 31, 2008 at 11:30 pm
(27) allen says:

sam news segments can be watched online. did you know that or are you not up to the 21st century yet?

that website means that no official record of anyone ever being attacked in a mass situation as this hoax claimed. small stuff probably happen all the time but not one such as what JOHN or laura has stated.

October 31, 2008 at 11:32 pm
(28) Marcy says:

Ok Allen I didn’t say specifically that YOU live in a gated community. I myself live in the South Bronx. I’m glad to hear your sister and her friends are safe but cowards like that (Believe me I live in an area with gang activity) tend to attack people alone rather than in groups. It’s not just during Halloween though…

ated community? i live near the projects (about a 10 minute walk). my best friend’s girlfriend lives in the coney island projects. my sister roamed around flatbush today with 6 other girls.

October 31, 2008 at 11:33 pm
(29) ? says:

allen…what law school do you attend? Last time i checked, lawyers were the one determining what was fact and what isn’t. If a man came and told you he didn’t kill his wife, would you take that as fact, i think not, half of your job would be deciding the truth, smart guy or girl, whatever you are. And people are killed due to gang violence everyday, its commonplace. The news doesn’t care enough to report it everyday. We only see mere glimpses of it when the murder rate pops up on the screen. And Viv how can you call Laura, professionals can be teachers, anyone in the community with has a degree necessary to preform their job…I’m pretty sure she interacts with them everyday…if middle and elite America would stop ignoring things, so many lives could be saved. I know i’m going off on a tangent, but I’m in Holocaust studies right now, we could have saved millions of Jewish people, if we had just listened and seen them as people in general instead of holding racial and religious prejudices. I love America because it’s one of the freest place in the world, but only for some…we need to change that, everyone should feel safe and be protected. I’m convinced, that if these threats had been directed toward a middle or upper class neighbor hood, the police would be out in full force, not necessarily because they like them more, but because money rules the world.

October 31, 2008 at 11:44 pm
(30) allen says:

im not determining what is fact. i am basing my information on all credible sources and not one source has stated an attack. gang activities are common i agree with that. but how common would it be to see innocent people being slashed and killed by the same group of people and left unnoticed by the media. the media may be selective. they pick news they believe to be newsworthy and you probably agree with that. tell me if this are newsworthy.
At least one girl gang-raped in Staten Island on her way to school
10 girls slashed in the Bronx
at least 3 more on 125th Street.

if you were a journalist wouldn’t the 10 girls slashed in 1 day in 1 borough be important enough to be on the news?

if these were true where is the commissioner?
there would be public outcry right now for the police to do something.
explain to me how in the last 20 years or so this hoax has been around and yet not one year has this been proven.

October 31, 2008 at 11:45 pm
(31) allen says:

pardon me for my grammatical mistake. tell me if these* are newsworthy

October 31, 2008 at 11:51 pm
(32) allen says:
November 1, 2008 at 12:06 am
(33) james says:

Wasn’t one of the major reasons we stayed out of the holocaust was due to the great depression. If I remember correctly it happened in 1920s and Hitler’s reign started around early 1930s? Financially speaking the U.S. did not have the money to support a war.

I remember reading somewhere that many New Yorkers did not want to be involved because many people were of German decent and they still had ties to Germany.

I am not denying the existence of the holocaust and this isn’t the time to discuss it but if you want to argue a point one shouldn’t ignore a major even like the Depression.

November 1, 2008 at 12:08 am
(34) Barry says:

Allen, thanks for being the only person who cares about facts, but people shouldn’t even need facts in this case. Anyone with any intelligence would use their common sense to realize that if this were true, they might have heard it somewhere other than a chain email or from “a friend.”

November 1, 2008 at 12:16 am
(35) Allen says:

Barry I know how you feel but the best way to argue a point is to state as many facts as possible at the same time take apart as many pieces of your opponents’ argument as possible. It makes my stance stronger while weakening the opposition. I first heard this from a friend who heard it from another friend who heard it from another person. I don’t like to believe anything people say unless there’s enough valid information to prove or disprove it.

November 1, 2008 at 12:35 am
(36) allen says:

i forgot to answer ? question
if a man came up to me and said he didn’t kill his wife and asked me to represent him I would ask him to wait. A good lawyer has to look at the facts of the case and then believe what is the best thing to do. if the facts points towards innocence then i would work hard to prove it. if the facts leans towards guilty i would have to decline because i can not morally defend someone who i believe is guilty. i do not care about a big fat paycheck and my career goal is to work in the district attorney’s office which is usually a lower paying job compared to to the state’s average for lawyers who have private practices.

November 1, 2008 at 1:10 am
(37) you know says:

people on here who are making up killings are just ridiculous. Get a life, besides reporting false shhhhi tt. If anything did happened it’s nothing different from what happens in NYC everday. Everywhere I been today was the same normal stuff and I am currently in Harlem n it’s suprisingly quiet for Halloween. plus, if these allegations were true nobody but the nypd would be allowed in the streets right now. It’s just crazy how people like to sensationalize things for the sake of something to talk about. But I guess this does make for a good Halloween scaring

November 1, 2008 at 2:04 am
(38) Megan says:

I talked to one police officer that said only TWO reports of girls being slashed had come in today. This was at 8pm. So while it’s not 11, it’s not 0. Get your facts straight if you’re gonna post a blog like this.

November 1, 2008 at 2:08 am
(39) Megan says:

By “slashed”, the officer said they were cut in the face. No one was killed. Still be very careful. There are a lot of drunken idiots out there even if you don’t believe the whole gang story.

November 1, 2008 at 7:41 am
(40) mother-in-Law says:

Allen your in the wrong field of study buddy. Law is not a field for anyone who has morals. So, chalk this one up as your first case you’ve lost.

November 1, 2008 at 8:12 am
(41) Bob says:

Ooooooh! Did you see? 3100 people were slashed yesterday! Er…actually, no one was. Silly frightened little people – this is how government and corporations can get you to do whatever they want, give up your rights, whatever. You are so scared you’ll do anything out of the Fear that rules you. Pathetic.

November 1, 2008 at 9:44 am
(42) allen says:

um i said my moral not all lawyers moral ? asked me what i would do. i think you lost not me mother-in-law

November 1, 2008 at 9:48 am
(43) allen says:

http://www.silive.com/news/advance/index.ssf?/base/news/1225522806292800.xml&coll=1

the girl raped in staten island made a falsified claim. she was not raped. the sexual intercourse never even happen.

November 1, 2008 at 10:41 am
(44) John says:

Get a clue all of you, these are just fake Internet rumors. Everyone knows gangs are real, and gang violence happens, but these stories are fake. Anyone in a gang should be exterminated like a cockroach, but that is a subject for another posting. I can’t believe in this day and age, that it is so easy to fool people. We need to act like educated adults, not superstitious cave dwellers. Let me guess, all of you probably also just got a check from Bill Gates for forwarding an email, right? IDIOTS!

November 1, 2008 at 11:05 am
(45) allen says:

John, that’s exactly what i was trying to point out last night but so many gullible people believed it was real.

November 1, 2008 at 11:32 am
(46) Kenny says:

This reminds me of the emial hoax where they said deposit envelopes at banks were being poisoned…so you would die as soon as you licked i….remember that one?…its a HOAX people…

November 1, 2008 at 12:59 pm
(47) dede says:

i really dont know if this is true or false however yesterday morning i was online on aol.com and they had a seide report saying 9 people were killed by bloods. i didnt read this fully just read the first few sentences. then i started hearing about this from other people and tried to look for this again and could not find it so i still dont know if its true but me and my friends were really careful yesterday when we went out.

November 1, 2008 at 3:48 pm
(48) Knowledgable says:

I am a former member of the Piru’s this is not a rumor and is very real it is initiation time sorry allan but I don’t have facts being that I am a primary source

November 1, 2008 at 3:54 pm
(49) allen says:

how can you prove you are a reliable source? So far every single reliable source has not mention the so called attacks on women, there were no out of the ordinary attacks that happen every halloween. there isn’t 1 single homicide that was gang related that made it to the news so therefore this was a hoax.

November 1, 2008 at 4:29 pm
(50) diana sarju says:

I was away and encountered ALJAZEERA news. One main topic, how the U.S. media covers up so many topics,we never get the real story. This is TRUE. Is it because these killings are not taking place in suburban communities that they dont want the rest of the communities in NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY, PA, and VA to be on alert? Isn’t that just as guilty as the murderers themselves? Killings in Brooklyn, killings in Newark, everyone scared for their life, running home early, walking in big groups, families crying, and and they still have the ordasity to lie?! Maybe no innocent women have died where you lay YOUR head, but it IS going on. If you never see a comet in your lifetime, does that mean it does not exist? Are the scientists and meteorologists lying?? PEOPLE OF AMERICA, over 40 women have died this weekend from this initiation ritual, I guess until someone from a higher stature gets a bullet, you wont realize how real this is.

November 1, 2008 at 4:36 pm
(51) Cristal says:

I’ll be honest. I was a victim of gang initiation on july 4 2006. yes not Halloween night, but I was stabbed 5 times& slashed across the left side of my face. My story never ended up on the news. so i wouldnt be surprised if little to no reports are made on the violence.

November 1, 2008 at 4:52 pm
(52) allen says:

AlJAZEERA is a propaganda network. If you believe their words then read about the German propaganda towards the Jews during Hitler’s reign.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/10/31/2008-10-31_two_men_dead_in_three_shootings_and_four.html

The daily news has an article taking about the major attacks that happened yesterday. Not one involved a woman. Assuming all those mentioned attacks were gang related wheres the 31 deaths per person who wanted to join a gang. These attacks happened in the Bronx, in Harlem and other parts of the city. Last time i checked Manhattan is the homes to many upper class citizens.

GIVE ME ONE WEBSITE THAT MENTIONS A WOMAN WAS KILLED BECAUSE OF A GANG INITIATION RITUAL. IF NO ONE CAN DO THAT THEN STOP ASSUMING THIS IS HAPPENING. Gangs attack people all the time. Gang activities occurs every day. TELL ME ME HOW COME NOT ONE RELIABLE SOURCE HAS NOT CONFIRMED DEATHS OF WOMAN. Even if only person wanted to join a gang yesterday in a city of millions then how come there arent 31 cases of women being picked out and attacked?

November 1, 2008 at 4:56 pm
(53) allen says:

Crystal you were a target of a random attack on a random day. People are claiming a mass attack in one day. If 10 women were killed in related fashions in 1 day wouldn’t that be a bigger news than your story. I’m not trying to downplay what you suffered but what news channel would not report a wave of random attacks towards women in 1 day in 1 city?

November 1, 2008 at 5:35 pm
(54) Cristal says:

very true; i’ve yet to see something major on the news. you may have a point.

November 1, 2008 at 6:04 pm
(55) Court says:

It’s true! I heard 31 too! The bloods said that htey wanted ot kill 31 girls in slutty costumes. & they did. In carney five girls died walking back from school, and two were stabbed. I know htat hte bloods want to hit clifton, passaic, the bronx, newark, and union city. They were saying like seven girls from nutely were killed too. THen there were rumors going around that they wanted to kill 70 girls by monday and if they didn’t reach that number they would keep going. But then they dropped it to 25. I don’t know if any of this is true andgod do I hope it’s not, but just be careful and watch out.

November 1, 2008 at 6:08 pm
(56) gotti says:

it did happen believe it i witnessed it.it happened b cause there are 21 new blood sets.og bloods thought it was false b cause they wouldnt do it but it was the young immature new young bloods dat did it str8 facts from the gang world believe mii im from the main place it happened at…and yur right maybe it was just random violence but most lii every one that would do a crime like that is blood so0o…. think outside the box dickhead

November 1, 2008 at 6:26 pm
(57) somene says:

Idk if any of this is true but either way, better safe than sorry. If this had absolutely no basis why would everyone be talking about it? There has to be some truth in the situation. If there was none then the rumor would have never gotten so widespread. My friend goes to Nightingale (private school in nyc) and the staff at the school made a point of telling everyone about Blood activity in nyc on halloween. The same girl lives on 128th street. She stayed at a friends house on halloween night because a woman was slashed on 125th, three blocks from her apartment. Part of why this isn’t on the news is because the attacks were slashings, not necessarily resulting in death. That means that a bunch of people could have been injured badly but did not actually die. Like I said, I don’t know if this is true but you shouldn’t dismiss it entirely…take precautions, even tonight, since many people are saying its supposed to continue over the weekend. And one last note, I heard from many people that it was supposed to be 31 women slashed total, not 31 women per initiate. But, unfortunately, I have no sources allen.

November 1, 2008 at 6:34 pm
(58) Karina, Bronx NY says:

Are you kidding me? Where is you research on this being an urban legend? In my high school alone these past 2 days 5 girls were slashed on their way home from school by Bloods.

Get your head out of your ass you ignorant prick.

November 1, 2008 at 6:47 pm
(59) D says:

Allen and all those thinking its a hoax, I hope one day u don’t run into those dangerous blood and crip dudes….then you’ll really know what and what they can and can’t do. Whether it’s a hoax or not am glad its out there – one can never be to careful.

November 1, 2008 at 6:49 pm
(60) allen says:

using profanity in an argument shows ignorance. if everything you claim is true gotti prove it. no proof right? thought so. everyone can make any claims. i can claim that i am a decedent of george washington but with no solid evidence my words are meaningless just as your words are right now.

when trying to disprove someone using profanity means your argument is weak. anyone that cyber bullies online are usually weak and insecure.

if there are so many new sets where are all the dead bodies. if they had to kill even 1 each then there would be atleast 21 gang related murders and if 21 murders occurred it would be mass hysteria and the media would be all over it.

Karina if there were 5 school aged girls that were slashed it would have made it on the news because parents and community leaders would be outraged that the nypd could not prevent it from happening. then the commission or mayor would have held a news conference trying to calm us down.

logically karina your argument is flawed. if the daily news was interested in my high school which i can proudly say was Sheepshead Bay high school in brooklyn when they charged 5 dollars for a replacement id then your alleged attacked would have been front page news.

so next time you make an argument dont use profanity because i just made both of you look like fools.

November 1, 2008 at 6:53 pm
(61) D says:

Aljazeera, what Aljazeera got to do with onions or tea in China? Get real dude – your head is in a text book. We are talkin NYC gang bangers – u way off the radar.

November 1, 2008 at 6:55 pm
(62) allen says:

D i understand being worried about being attacked if this was real but if you think about it how can you take it seriously.
if each had to kill a person and gotti claims 21 new sets assuming each set has at least 2-3 new members then there would have been 40-60 deaths by now. how many reported homicides have there been?

November 1, 2008 at 6:58 pm
(63) D says:

Allen, alot of whats on the news isn’t about us as people but about selling, selling selling advertisement ads. Now the people who sell those ads really don’t care about the happenings in poor inner city neighborhoods.

November 1, 2008 at 6:58 pm
(64) allen says:

i didnt mention Aljazeera first; it was diana.

November 1, 2008 at 7:01 pm
(65) D says:

as I said u r looking to far in a text book – stop trying to use text book sense on this one. Go with your street smarts and be extra carefull. Put nothing pass these gangs because they are notorious for evil ‘wickedness’ and when u encounter them there aim is only one thing. To hurt you. Don’t look for the news or PC to validate what is happening on the streets. Be street smart Allen.

November 1, 2008 at 7:03 pm
(66) allen says:

actually thats during commercial time. the news has to bring interesting information that will lure viewers. if 5 school girls were slashed across their face it would be a top story. if mass slaughtering of women did really happened, then the news would have reported it.

November 1, 2008 at 7:04 pm
(67) D says:

Yeah I know she did mention Aljezeera, but u said its a propaganda tool. Question, and American media is not? How come we are forbidden to see the dead soldiers coming home is boxes? Think deep Allen – get your head out of the text book.

November 1, 2008 at 7:05 pm
(68) brina says:

i live in da south bronx and to me its all very real i have a credible source who works at my local hospital who sed between yesterday & today the emergency room was jammed pack with ppl wit injuries due to gang related violence you had males & females with injuries ranging from cuts to death jus because it wasnt broadcasted doesnt necessarily mean it doesnt happen maybe u would kno about it if ppl werent frightened to report these sort of cases or dat when da officer who does take down a report doesnt classify it as gang related you cant be so ingnorant to say if i dont c proof it never happened lots of stuff goes down dat never makes it to da airwaves it jus goes to show wat the media really thinks is a story every iota of information we recieve is broken down into so many perspectives dat the real story isnt always the topic im over da violence in my community but hey we cant all live in a bubble i kno its out there

November 1, 2008 at 7:07 pm
(69) D says:

No actually u r wrong. The news has to keep viewers according to Nielson ratings who buy the products of the ads. Now, its a known and proven fact in medisa studies advertisers don’t pay for ad spots to advertise to “minorities” but the upper class. 2. If the problem affected the upper-class, then it would be on the news.

November 1, 2008 at 7:08 pm
(70) allen says:

if you mean street smart by logic then where your logic. if there were mass gang attacks then fox abc, cbs, nbc, cw11, cnn and so on are taking a nap.

i am using my logic.
No confirmed gang reports.
Every halloween there are alleged massive gang attacks that would take place.

November 1, 2008 at 7:09 pm
(71) allen says:

actually this would affect the upper class. if gangs are attacking random people all over the city then anyone can be attacked.

November 1, 2008 at 7:10 pm
(72) D says:

U r right Brina – its all about what they think is news worthy to the upper class. They got to keep them ad dollars coming.

November 1, 2008 at 7:10 pm
(73) allen says:

and what about the newspapers. the post, the times, the daily news. none of them has a single sentence stating any of the attacks may it be school girls, or random attacks.

November 1, 2008 at 7:12 pm
(74) D says:

Boy, poor u. ain’t no helping u. I leave u to your folly.

November 1, 2008 at 7:14 pm
(75) D says:

A. the post is racist
B. the new york times is upper-class
C. as we’ve all been saying, it’s not affecting them – so they don’t care.

as i said i leave u to your folly. nite guys.

November 1, 2008 at 7:16 pm
(76) allen says:

D. if the hospitals were full of dead/injured people then the any channel would have coverage. any media source would love to be the first to report it because it would show their ability to find news. A family down my block died in a fire a year ago. I live in lower brooklyn. Fox was on the scene minutes after fire fighters there. Don’t even claim they were upper class. They lived in a basement apartment.

November 1, 2008 at 7:18 pm
(77) allen says:

if the post was racist it would be the perfect time to show the evils that gang members are committing
most blood members are of african american decent. it would be a perfect time to show follies by using this as an example.

You clearly ignored the fact that if there were so many attacks there would be public outcry for security.

November 1, 2008 at 7:19 pm
(78) allen says:

um for your information the upper class makes a small portion of this city. Most people in this city are middle class or lower class citizens. To advertise to only upper class would be Nielson rating suicide.

November 2, 2008 at 12:53 am
(79) noami says:

allen, I must say reading your comment kept me amuse. poor guy, repeating yourself over and over to a bunch of brainless people who need to take their I.Q test. there is violence everywhere i am sure in the Bronx, Harlem east new york there are plenty of incidents. but we are not talking about that, the point is that we are talking about a rumor of 31 killings that was never on the news. so allen your a right. no facts case is close. For goodness sakes! for those who are writing comments need to stay in school and stop cutting English class. learn the decency of good grammar and a good debate.

November 2, 2008 at 10:03 am
(80) allen says:

noami i repeat myself because a strong point requires emphasis. poor girl never had a debate class did you? never had a proper class on how to argue with examples. an argument that cant be supported is weak. you have no proof there were attacks. this hoax happens EVERY halloween so unless you were hidden in a closet for the last 20 years or so, you are a fool.

November 2, 2008 at 10:34 am
(81) Samantha says:

Excuse me, but allen you are a doof. Where do you go to school???
My cousin’s friend had to go to the hospital because she got sliced, and my BEST FRIEND’S bus broke down (Bx12) in Fordham and according to her, BLOOD was in Fordham. When i got Fordham school on Friday everyone was running around scared to death, and around Roosevelt High School which is on, there was a lotta BLOOD on the corner, and i saw them with m outta y two eyes. SORRY, but in my eyes that doesn’t happen everyday… P.S. it was on NEWS 12 THE BRONX when i got home, and to be precise, the headline was “GANG THREAT”

November 2, 2008 at 12:04 pm
(82) naomi says:

Allen, why are you so defensive and insulting when I was clearly trying to defend you and agree with you. I thought you were right about what you were saying to others, I guess you you woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

November 2, 2008 at 6:13 pm
(83) Angela says:

Listen up. Folks claiming the media is covering this up, and get your heads out of your ass. I write for a major newspaper in New York, where we make our living reporting crime, blood, and guts. If there was ANY truth to this, we would have been all over it.

All you liars who are saying something happened to your friend, or your cousin, did you report it to the police? No, because we see police reports every day.

November 2, 2008 at 6:15 pm
(84) Cecily says:

The news doesn’t report everything that occurs. I think there won’t be any reports that cover the blood initiation. The ideaology that the if the news doesn’t cover it, then it isn’t so is ignorant. There is plenty of things that are not featured and there are plenty of fabrications as well.

While at Union Square I saw at least six ambulences, inside one of them some one was bleeding profusely. I saw a countless amount of police officers. I asked one that was hanging out of the door of a police truck as if he were a garbage man if any of the trains were safe and he shook his haid, “no”. I saw a guy snatch a purse. The woman’s friends chased after the guy, and in response, his crew followed, many sporting red bandanas in their back pocket.

Word of mouth might seem like a game of telephone with a lack of credibility, and usually it is, but in this situation, it is not. Just because someone labeled as “head” claimed that all were rumors doesn’t mean it isn’t true. There are some things that circulate amongs people and not the media that ARE true.

November 2, 2008 at 7:58 pm
(85) Greg says:

Some of you can say it’s true, if you want, but I don’t believe it is. People are saying 2,000 different things. Gangs cause harm and hurt people EVERY DAY. It’s not just Halloween. You always have to be careful and use common sense. But all this? If they wanted to cause a scare, they did. I think this is a very successful method because they just caused widespread panic and caused people to be in their houses for no reason. Everyone says they know someone who knew someone who got killed or slashed. People said don’t go to the parade. Well I went, with friends…nothing happened. People were alone on the train, nothing happened. People are shot or stabbed everyday, so until you can say that 30 people truly did get harmed, it isn’t true. Hospitals are ALWAYS packed with people who are hurt. Dangerous neighborhoods are ALWAYS dangerous. I was in Brooklyn, on Flatbush where people were said to be attacked…I saw NOTHING. There was nothing different from any other day. Plus, who are the people who got attacked? In broad daylight, or in well lit areas, tell me who got attacked. Whenever I hear about an attack it happens at 3 or 4 in the morning in an empty street…why go walking that late anyway? That is asking for attack. But this is just ridiculous..and for all you who said it’s not in the news, it was in the paper today and it was said that any attacks were not gang related sooo..And anyway, it’s after halloween and I still heard nothing from anyone reliable.

November 2, 2008 at 11:14 pm
(86) okkkk says:
November 3, 2008 at 7:49 am
(87) John says:

okkkk: Real smart! Post a link that you have to subscribe to read! You’re a bright one, eh?

November 3, 2008 at 3:01 pm
(88) ALB says:

I know it to be true in NY, on Friday before I left my job a girl was stabbed 3 blocks from my job near norman thomas high school 33st & Park ave and she died the next day and my brother’s god daughter classmate was sliced thursday in the face and needed to surgeries just getting something out of her father car and I have heard of a few others that I do not know the people but people I know knew them have told me about near them. So just because it is not in the news and they not want people to panic or just don’t since they were targeting Latinos and African Americans only. Some people need to get out of their bubbled world.

November 3, 2008 at 3:17 pm
(89) Tiny says:

Allen i agree with u………..this whole thing may be a hoax…….First of all this was not even a blood initiation…..bloods were suppose to pop off on women because of a personal reason which i will not state……but nothin has happen and the reason i feel it was a hoax because any of the victims family members would have reported these incidents and it would have been on the news trust me.

Nobody was hurt even though i believed it at first and took cabs from home and work……now its like ok nothin happen but u should still be careful because duh nyc bloods, crips and even latin kings dont care…..and those of u who claim these slashings happen where are the victims why didnt they families report it and like i said the news would have been up on it…..thats how they make their money duuuuuh…..and with economy going down trust me they trying to get the most views for their station

November 3, 2008 at 6:54 pm
(90) DiZzY says:

I havent read every single comment on here. I agree with some of yall that said it should have been on the news, etc. Way back when they would have it on the news, i remember there was a time when everyday you would hear of the bloods slicing somebody on the train or elsewhere. These rumors go around every halloween, but just this year it really took off. I dont believe the rumors to be true, because first off each female that wanted to join has to get 31 girls, come on that is crazy. I know the bloods are crazy in in themselves but this rumor was bigger then nyc so I doudt the bloods would want to do something on such a large scale especially given their history, you know like its too predictable.

All day on halloween and even still today I’ve been hearing stories, but for those ppl that have played telephone you see how things can get turned around. So i’ve been looking for somebody that actually saw a blood slice a girl or something because everybody is like my friend told me, or i heard from my co-worker. I do believe that it would have been on the news, cuz if its suppose be 31 each person then one of those ppl would have made a big deal out of it.

I wont say that I didnt spend halloween looking over my shoulder, i did but I hate the fact that all of these are rumors and that they just get bigger and bigger. I dont live in a “sheltered” community or w.e like many ppl have said about other commenters. I’m latina and live in flatbush. I also have female cousins that live in Lafayette Gardens Projects, which is a perdominantly blood area.

November 3, 2008 at 8:05 pm
(91) Susan says:

I believe the blood initiation IS real but thats just my opinion.

I think, the reason its not reported, is because there isn’t enough evidence to tie all the slashing and deaths together as a part of the “blood initiation”. Yes, there were deaths and slashings but there are deaths daily. And because the slashings and deaths occurred in different areas, with uncaught suspects, there is not enough evidence to link all these incidents as part of the blood initiation. I do, however, believe that the blood gang does exist and that if not all, some of the cases are linked to the blood gang.

November 4, 2008 at 5:27 pm
(92) stan says:

The “blood initiation” was to slice 31 girls total not kill 31 girls each. And look there’s another rumor that tomarrow their gonna rape a number of girls in each borough. I’m sure there was a “blood initiation” but not on a scale that the rumors were on.

November 4, 2008 at 7:17 pm
(93) william says:

This is actually true. In my school, a bunch of bloods surrounded my school waiting for us to come out but the cops came, and theyre doing it again 2morrow .

November 4, 2008 at 8:10 pm
(94) Dxc says:

I tried to read all the comments, but I don’t have that much time to waste. First of all everyone should believe in gang violence, especially on Halloween. Stabbing, drive-by shooting, and rape happen all year long. I researched the net and found that there was no stories of girls being slashed or raped. If you have real proof, as Allen was saying, then post it. As for these text messages I find that they are coming from the same kind of people. I asked people I know received the text message who they got it from. Guess what? These people are low and trashy and hang out with the wrong people. If the message was sent by a family member ask who they got it from, until you hit this kind of person. My mother received it from a woman I know is considered “trailer park trash.” All I can say is to take precautions but I think most of this is rumored bullshit.

William: What school do you go to? Or what neighborhood? How did you know that there were bloods waiting for you and your friends?

For any other people with stories like: I knew this girl who was in the city and she was slashed in the face/raped/killed, where did you get this info?

We live in the U.S.A and if you haven’t noticed by now the media craves stories like these. Plus, today you can find anything on the internet, but there’s nothing except blog posts and comments from random people about this.

This is really a horrible rumor, if it definitely is one. The world is bad enough. I would really love to know where the texts originated from.

And one last thing, I don’t think these gangs are stupid and would let plans like these get around through texts.

November 5, 2008 at 7:15 am
(95) Heather says:

I’ve been reading Allen’s Comments and I do believe he is Correct on what he is saying, IF ANY of this were true, you would IN FACT see it on the news, I’ve been searching on yahoo and google about 31 women and have found NOT A DAMN thing except for you all bitching and claiming this story is true.. You all think that just because ONE lousy freakin’ girl was reported to being RAPED that it was by the Bloods! WRONG-O!

When they say GANG RAPE, they mean More then one male was involved in the rape, NOT meaning that a woman or girl was raped by a gang, and most certainly NOT by the bloods. Gangs like the Bloods do NOT RAPE. Isn’t ANYONE educated in this country Anymore?!

I have a friend in North Carolina, claiming that someone shouted out about shooting 31 women for irrigation…but I wonder if it wasn’t just the cops shouting out about it or something..Because there are CLEARLY NO REPORTS about it.

November 7, 2008 at 8:50 am
(96) larainedennis says:

i have a friend that works at a hospital and she says numerous girls were slashed halloween

November 19, 2008 at 8:04 pm
(97) BAMBAM says:

In Richmond, Virginia numerou5 amount5 were killed . . . in Tappohannock, Virginia about 13 were killed alot injured. I actually 5aw one of the inncodent5, but i gue55 itz different 4 me kuz i am a Blood and i wouldnt doubt thing5 like thi5 if i were yal kuz it iz very true. But I dont agree with it

October 14, 2009 at 4:25 am
(98) Chuck says:

These things make the rounds every year about this time…4 years ago, there were rumors of a “Bloods initiation weekend” in Oct, during which prospective members were said to be intentionally driving w/their lights off, then attempting to kill anyone who gave them a “courtesy flash”…as expected, the entire weekend came and went w/o a single incident.

Oh, and Max’s claim that TV stations don’t run news stories about gang violence b/c it “just hypes gang members up” is laughable…I work in New Rochelle, and News 12 Westchester gave plenty of airtime to reports on gang activity @ the New Roc City entertainment complex 2 1/2 years ago.

Folks, this ranks right up there w/those old rumors about children being abducted and sacrificed in Satanic rituals on Halloween night…not a shred of evidence to back it up, and if there was any truth, you can bet the news media would be all over it. Face it, if your primary source is an e-mail/TM/online bulletin that ends “this iz tru, plz pass it on2 evry1 u no”, that should tell you how much credibility these rumors deserve.

And lastly, don’t these alleged planned attacks strike you as out of character for gang members? The whole gang lifestyle is all about acting on impulses…I seriously doubt they’re sitting around drawing up plans for an attack on such and such a date, and if these incidents really happened, why can’t people provide such basic details as the victims’ names?

October 21, 2009 at 8:53 pm
(99) james bryant says:

for all of those who think that this is a hoax, obviously u do not live where i live. the threat is real. just today a teacher at my nieces school was chased by a group of bloods. and for the police to say that they have no credible info on this then tell me why they surveillance stations set up all over my neighborhood

October 22, 2009 at 6:20 pm
(100) youssra says:

i dont noe wat 2believe, i had alot of texts saying that not only the bloods, but also the crips will be killing whoever wears blue/red, i herd already 7 girls died, and its not even halloween yet! i love halloween, but if this is wat will be happening, then id rather not have it. their in my area too! brooklyn! im worried about my family, && freinds! dont noe wat 2 do!! 0.o I HATE GANGS!!!!

October 23, 2009 at 10:11 am
(101) Papa McCain says:

Well, I live in San Diego. There are approximately 426,000 females in this town and last year at Halloween every single on of them was slashed. It’s a fact because you read it here and didn’t see it on the news.

October 28, 2009 at 5:30 pm
(102) Bronx Guy says:

Being a resident of the Bronx I can say that these accusations are real. Friend have reported woman in the Bronx and Harlem area getting stabbed up. They are targeting females and this is before the Halloween Gang Initiations. I read a post saying that it would be all over the news if this is true, but the news does not report half of the incidents that happen around us.

October 29, 2009 at 10:05 pm
(103) Laura says:

I really don’t know what to believe. I hear it’s just myth (and I want so badly to convince myself that it is), but then I hear from people I know that they know so and so who got slashed, and then tell me there are pictures. I’m not one to doubt my friends and family, so they influence my worrying a LOT.
Knowing there are no reported stories makes me feel a bit better, but who would know really if it’s a gang related incident?
I’m just gonna try and get by tomorrow just like I get by everyday. I live in the Bronx, and I’ve been out at all sorts of hours, and nothing has ever happened to me. I know that gives me no reason to be less careful but hey, what are ya gonna do?

October 30, 2009 at 11:04 pm
(104) Chuck says:

Laura, sometimes it’s possible for well-meaning fam/friends to get false info…if it was “initiation weekend” (n/m this same stupid rumor goes around every year at this time, yet Halloween always passes w/o a single gang-related incident), why wouldn’t the police be setting up patrols in gang-heavy neighborhoods and issuing official statements urging citizens to proceed w/caution?

And youssra, you need to relax and think about this…if your only sources for this “information” are a buncha TMs, doesn’t that tell you something right there? Why haven’t the names of these 7 girls made the news?

Also, doesn’t it strike you as odd that not one single person who claims it’s real provides any kind of link to a news story, names the victims, etc? This is basic stuff!

Finally, as I mentioned in an earlier message, do you really think gang members are sitting around in their clubhouse, drawing out plans for elaborate initiation killings? The whole lifestyle is all about acting on impulses, not taking time to carefully plan things out…and why wouldn’t the police warn residents of the neighborhoods they patrol? That’s their job!

October 28, 2010 at 9:38 pm
(105) Lili says:

people this are not only rumors is true take it from some one who lives on the Bronx i see it happening every year last year they even kill like 4 pregnant woman’s for this and guess what even if is news material the people on power if the decided the don’t want something to get publish it wont get out no matter what. plus every year for Halloween special in forahm road lots of girls get their face cut not rumors at all i know some people who have being victims of this gangs initiations. plus if you call the police to make sure is true or false the will not tell you is true they dont want to be dealing with a group of people that are scare and alarm. think about it…

October 29, 2010 at 11:10 pm
(106) Carolyn says:

I’m really scared, now.

I live in East New York, Brooklyn with a lot of bloods in my area.

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