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Bogus Khrushchev 'Small Doses of Socialism' Quote Makes the Rounds Again

By November 13, 2008

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(UPDATED) In case you weren't properly terrified at the prospect of President-elect Obama and his "terrorist pals" remaking this country into a Communist police state, the far-right blogosphere would like you to get a load of this prescient quote from a past leader of the Soviet Union:

AND SO IT BEGINS!

"We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

   -Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

Except, um, so far as anyone has been able to prove, Comrade Khrushchev never said any such thing.  The quote, which has been used by demagogues to equate liberal/progressive policies with communism ever since the early 1960s, doesn't appear in Khrushchev's writings or in the transcripts of any of his speeches, and the only individual who ever claimed to have witnessed the utterance firsthand, Ezra Taft Benson (see update below), gave contradictory accounts of where and when the words were supposedly spoken.

Long history

As it turns out, folks have been trying to authenticate the passage, to no avail, ever since it was first foisted on the American public around 1959-60. The late Rep. Morris Udall chronicled his own efforts to do so in an article published in The New Republic some 46 years ago. Among other dead ends, his query to the Library of Congress yielded this reply:

We have searched the Legislative Reference Service files, checked all the standard reference works on quotations by Khrushchev, and consulted with the Slavic division of the Library of Congress, the Department of State, and the US Information Agency, in an attempt to determine the authenticity of this quotation. From none of these sources were we able to produce evidence that Khrushchev actually made such a statement.

Be that as it may, the quote was widely disseminated during the early 1960s via the preferred viral medium of the day, postcards. One well-known purveyor of such literature was a southern California banker named Joe Crail, who, according to author Rick Perlstein (Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus, New York: Hill and Wang, 2002) distributed as many as two million pieces of far-right propaganda in 1961 alone (much of it, apparently, to his own clientele at Coast Federal Savings and Loan).

"In a typical blitz," Perlstein writes, "account holders received a red postcard bearing a spurious quote from Khrushchev: 'We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism, until they suddenly awake to find they have communism.'"

Sound familiar?

When pressed by Senator Lee Metcalf of Montana to provide a source for the quote in 1962, Crail admitted he could not. The mailings were discontinued.

Boller and George: The quote is a 'deliberate fabrication'

According to Paul F. Boller and John H. George, authors of They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, and Misleading Attributions (Oxford, 1989), the quote was, in fact, a "deliberate fabrication of some radical rightists in this country, who thought it summed up Khrushchev's attitude" (which it actually did not — like most Marxists of his time, Khrushchev believed the capitalist system was inherently unjust and unstable and doomed to collapse of its own accord).

Yet here it is, that same misbegotten quote, still in use some 50 years later, the only difference being that now we're supposed to believe it sums up the political philosophy and agenda of liberal Democrat Barack Obama.

UPDATE: Ezra Taft Benson, a self-contradictory witness

Conscientious readers have offered up an excerpt from a 1966 speech delivered by former Secretary of Agriculture (under Eisenhower) Ezra Taft Benson as "proof" that the Khrushchev quote is authentic. Here's the excerpt (which you can also listen to via YouTube, courtesy of the Glenn Beck radio show):

I have personally witnessed the heart-rending results of the loss of freedom. I have talked face-to-face with the godless Communist leaders. It may surprise you to learn that I was host to Mr. Khrushchev for a half-day when he visited the United States. Not that I'm proud of it. I opposed his coming then, and I still feel it was a mistake to welcome this atheistic murderer as a state visitor.

As we talked face-to-face, he indicated that my grandchildren would live under Communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in my power to assure that his, and all other grandchildren, will live under freedom, he arrogantly declared, in substance:

"You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright. But we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won't have to fight you; we'll so weaken your economy until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands."

Unfortunately, Mr. Benson — an anti-Communist zealot who claimed the U.S. government was permeated with Reds and the Civil Rights movement was a Commie plot to destroy America from within, etc. — isn't the reliable witness he may seem. In his writings and public statements he gave conflicting accounts of the provenance of Khrushchev's statement.

You read above what Benson said in a speech on October 25, 1966. Now read what he had written four years before that in his 1962 book, The Red Carpet: Socialism -- The Royal Road to Communism, page 65 (emphasis added):

A few months before coming to the United States Khrushchev is reported to have said:

"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism, until they suddenly awake to find they have communism."

Benson's meeting with Khrushchev took place in 1959. Did he forget, when he wrote the book in 1962, that the Soviet leader had uttered those words in his own presence? Or was his claim in 1966 that Khrushchev had spoken them to him directly a misremembrance, or an embellishment? Which version of events are we to accept as true?

In any event, there's no record of Benson taking personal credit for the quote prior to 1966, by which time it had already been in circulation for at least six years, accompanied by the standard Khrushchev-said-this-a-few-months-before-coming-to-the-U.S. preamble.

For example, here it is in a speech given by Ronald Reagan in 1961:

Three months before his last visit to this country, Nikita Khrushchev said, "We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find they have communism."

Did Reagan cite Benson as its source? No. Did he say Khrushchev had uttered the words to an American official on American soil? No.

To sum up:

Comments

October 19, 2009 at 5:36 pm
(1) Rob Crawley says:

Well there are quotes directly from the Secretary of Agriculture who also happened to be the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints later on in his life and Ronald Reagan one who many consider to be one of the best Presidents in the modern era. I think direct quotes from both of these individuals is enough for me. Maybe Benson was quoting from Reagan in the first book and referenced his journal in the second book. I am not going to question the integrity of two of the greatest Americans to live in the modern era. I think that this should not be considered “bogus” but accurate quotes with the question lingering of why did he not quote this in his first book. Maybe in his first book it was too recent and was considered confidential information. In any case, it is a quote from someone who met him personally and should not be called bogus.

August 24, 2011 at 2:09 pm
(2) Brian says:

Neither Reagan nor Benson actually heard Khrushchev say this.

There is no proof Khrushchev ever said it. None.

Sweet Jesus, some of you people are unbelievably gullible.

December 1, 2011 at 7:32 pm
(3) HoldenCaulfield says:

@Brian.

Lessons in Informal Logic Fallacies:

Argumentum ad ignorantiam:An assertion that one’s claim is true solely on the basis that it cannot be proven or has not been proven.

• Bryan’s claim, “Neither Reagan nor Benson actually heard Khrushchev say this.”
• Basis for his claim, “There is no proof Khrushchev ever said it. None.”

November 3, 2009 at 6:33 pm
(4) Sophie Rice says:

So if you can’t find documentation of every word I ever said to anyone in a legislative library then I didn’t say it? You have a quote from the person who said it to him, and you want to say it never happened. Who is a more reliable witness, the man than heard it from the horse’s mouth or the writer that wants to cast doubt on words said because they are scary considering our current climate in government and economy? I know the answer.

August 24, 2011 at 2:13 pm
(5) TR says:

“So if you can’t find documentation of every word I ever said to anyone in a legislative library then I didn’t say it?”

Depends.

Were you the premier of the Soviet Union, whose every word was meticulously followed by thousands of American officials in the State Department, CIA, FBI, etc.?

It’s funny that this is a quote that Reagan and Benson heard about from a friend of a friend of a friend or something, but NO ONE in the U.S. government could verify.

You people will believe anything your political masters tell you, won’t you?

Good doggies. Lie down. Play brain dead.

November 10, 2009 at 12:09 pm
(6) D Hernandez says:

Ok, so both Reagan AND Benson said the statement is valid.

You have there the testimony of two witnesses, both of whom were highly respected.

That’s good enough for me.

Your “it wasn’t said” argument is extremely weak.

August 24, 2011 at 2:04 pm
(7) Brian says:

That’s your rebuttal? Reagan and Benson said it was true, and that’s good enough for you?

Never mind that they never offered a source for the alleged quotation. Never mind that the State Department, the Library of Congress, multiple news reports, and countless academic studies of the Soviet Union said Krushchev never said this quote …

Reagan and Benson passed along the unfounded rumor, and that’s good enough for you.

Tell me: What’s it like being a mindless lapdog who believes everything you’re told?

August 24, 2011 at 2:07 pm
(8) Brian says:

Oh, and P.S.:

Reagan and Benson weren’t “witnesses” to this comment. They both originally said “it had been reported” but never said by whom, or where, or when specifically.

That’s not “witnesses.” That’s “hearsay evidence” and absolute bullsh–.

November 23, 2009 at 9:57 pm
(9) Liz says:

Listen to the audio yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTDmGt1Pafw&feature=related

Your arguments that this is bogus ARE BOGUS!

November 28, 2009 at 2:21 am
(10) Jeremy says:

You’re missing the whole point. The fact that this was a quote from 50 years ago and it IS all coming true right before our very eyes speaks volumes.

This article is BS and just goes to show that another indoctrinated robot is once again turning a blind eye is happening.

Read the 10 Conditions For Transition To Communism from the Communist Manifesto and tell me that this isn’t happening on some level in our country.

Some patriot you are, David. Sit back in complacency and let the government take over your life and revoke your liberties. I, on the other hand, will not be so easily persuaded to drink the Kool-Aid!

December 14, 2009 at 4:43 pm
(11) Mikee says:

RE: Liz

That is a clip of Beck’s show quoting Benson. It does not quote Khrushchev.

I can make a clip of someone’s showing saying that you’re admitting to being a satan worshipper. Does that make it true?

The level of evidence you morons are willing to accept is driving this country further and further into the bowels of udder stupidity.

January 30, 2011 at 9:50 pm
(12) DS says:

You mean “utter”? Genius.

August 24, 2011 at 2:15 pm
(13) TR says:

No, given the fact that you all apparently have the brainpower of cattle, “udder” seems about right.

January 31, 2010 at 11:12 pm
(14) Rsmith7042 says:

Defending Khruschev? Really?

August 24, 2011 at 1:57 pm
(15) TR says:

No, this isn’t “defending Khrushchev” because Khrushchev never said this.

It’s “debunking liars” and exposing the gullible fools who believe them.

March 17, 2010 at 1:25 pm
(16) chris says:

Dear Dave Emery,

It is really shocking how determined you are to defend communism and Khruschev. You do everything in your power to discredit Reagan and Benson who have life-time records of honor. You put our country at great risk and are on the wrong side!

March 17, 2010 at 4:59 pm
(17) Adam says:

Ya gotta love all these commenters who think disproving that a former dictator said a certain quote is defending that dictator. Bonus points for how it wouldn’t have actually made Khrushchev that much worse had he actually said this quote.

To top it all off, it wouldn’t really make any sense for him to have said it. Everyone who knows anything about Communism knows that Marx and his followers believed that Communism would be brought in by a revolution, not by a series of incremental changes. Think about it: Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. all became Communist through revolutions. The idea of Communism “creeping in” is an American fear.

March 22, 2010 at 11:21 pm
(18) dan says:

Bad argument. Benson said he said this before coming the US, and he said he said it to him face-to-face. That is not a contradiction but rather a claim that he said it more than once!

March 28, 2010 at 1:03 pm
(19) J Baustian says:

IMO this is something Nikita could have said, but probably not something he ever did say to Ezra Taft Benson. So it probably qualifies as a legend and not as fact.

However, the Left is constantly trying to feed us legends and calling them facts, that it gets harder and harder to determine the truth.

April 20, 2010 at 2:49 am
(20) Mark says:

I find it funny that some how giving two similar quotes by the same man means that it was one and the same quote. How many times have we heard Obama or any other politician say the same rhetoric over and over? You really don’t think he could have made these obviously different but similar quotes to more than one person at different times if he really believed America would fall to communism this way?

What I don’t get is what your motivation is to try to discredit Ezra Taft Benson? Are you just a Mormon hater? I do get that you are a left wing socialist progressive so I can see why you try to discredit the most capitalistic minded president in modern history. (or perhaps ever)

June 24, 2010 at 5:36 pm
(21) Citizen says:

I suppose you want to twist history as well that Khrushchev didn’t pound his shoe on the U.N. podium and threaten that “we will bury you”. I remember seeing these reports on TV; I lived it, not dreamed and twisted it like you red’s.

June 24, 2010 at 5:50 pm
(22) Bob Gare says:

Well maybe your right and it’s a made up quote.
But wow was the guy who thought it up must be one h@ll of a Profit. It doesn’t matter where it came from, it’s all happening.
Read each line carefully on this link.
Any one under 45 yrs old won’t get it.
http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

June 24, 2010 at 6:45 pm
(23) Edward Creed says:

good sir, whether of not this is an accurate quote or not is irrelevant and it certainly doesn’t discredit the validity of it as a statement. Just take a look. These are the 45 5 steps of communism. Can you honestly say that you don’t see any of this in our country.

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike

June 24, 2010 at 6:55 pm
(24) Edward Creed says:

BTW I’m getting sick of my fellow americans acting like it’s young people causing this problem. I don’t know if you’ve noticed or not but a good majority of the politicians with whom you so greatly disagree are indeed over 45.

Demonizing the youth of this nation does not further your cause, it only hinders it.

June 24, 2010 at 7:21 pm
(25) Sal says:

I’ve heard of this quote on and off, from different people, all of my life, I am 47. Trust me when I tell you, it happened, and it’s happening now. For the hard to convince because they weren’t privy to such information, all you have to do is look at what our Founding Fathers laid out for us as opposed to where we are now. We’re 180 degrees opposite that of Sept. 17, 1787.

June 24, 2010 at 8:06 pm
(26) Pat says:

The two quotes, one from Benson’s book, and the other from Benson’s personal encounter with Kruschev are totally different, yet you want to say that they are the same. Any person reading the quotes would see the difference. Perhaps the urban legend is that Kruschev was not communist, especially since you degrade Benson for his anti-commjnist sentiment, and uphold Kruschev by claiming his statement was not made. We now that communism is in this country and vigorously promoted by the Communist Party of America.

June 25, 2010 at 1:40 am
(27) David says:

I think it safe to say Mr. Emery is a liberal, and likely even further left than that. Regardless of any dispute of these words’ origins, they are completely accurate and amazingly prophetic. It is time Americans awakened to the crossroads at which we have arrived. It is decision time.

June 25, 2010 at 2:21 am
(28) Rita says:

The argument needs to include how much documentation has been handily removed in order to advance the threat and do so securely.

June 25, 2010 at 9:41 am
(29) Jack says:

From Adam above: “To top it all off, it wouldn’t really make any sense for him to have said it. Everyone who knows anything about Communism knows that Marx and his followers believed that Communism would be brought in by a revolution, not by a series of incremental changes. Think about it: Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. all became Communist through revolutions. The idea of Communism “creeping in” is an American fear.”

What exactly do you think Revolution is? It’s defined: Complete change from one constitution to another. “Creeping in” is exactly how it was planned for a communist takeover. It doesn’t happen by a physical confrontation.

June 26, 2010 at 2:37 pm
(30) Rich says:

I don’t think the source at this point is relevant…regardless of who said it, lets look at when it was said, it has been circulating for over 50 years and the statement itself is either “prophetic” or influential with the current political scene.

So lets put the cool aid down, put our thinking caps back on, pull our boots up and get things back on the right track

June 26, 2010 at 9:17 pm
(31) Forum Troll says:

Or maybe he said it multiple times. Politicians always come up with talking points and regurgitate them everywhere they go. It is no surprise that there are numerous accounts of roughly the same thing being said at multiple times in multiple places.

July 3, 2010 at 5:25 pm
(32) QuantumRift says:

Obviously, a “progressive” liberal will discount this as false..

July 14, 2010 at 12:09 pm
(33) Patriot says:

Have you thought about it this way… Those two quotes have been cited as seperate instances. One in which Krushchev had spoken those words to his own people before coming to our Country. Then after saying it once to his people and getting a great response from them, he decided to say it here in the United States to Benson, knowing that it was a quote capable of bringing attention to himself and the Communist movement.

July 16, 2010 at 3:01 pm
(34) Jody says:

I think the point of the article is being missed. The article is just about whether the statement was made by Khrushchev or not. There was no documentation of whether it was said or not other than Ezra Taft Benson statement. Reagan did not say it was said to him, he only stated that it said. If you take Benson at his word then there is no argument that can be made to change your mind. Once again that would be Benson, not Benson and Reagan. That would not be enough for me. How can anyone come to the conclusion that someone would be supporting Khrushchev or communsm just

July 16, 2010 at 3:36 pm
(35) Jody says:

…… just because we do not believe that the statement was made by Khrushchev to Benson. To attack someone as a communist sympathizer just because that person ask for documentation to support a claim is wrong. I don’t understand if the people who are using this quote think we have been sliding towards communism the since the quote was made, that would have been through the Nixon, Reagan and both Bush presidencies or if Khrushchev is just talking about this moment in time. If that is the case, I am surprised to see that these people would place so much faith in his prophetic attributes since he was incorrect about so many other things….. after all he did not even see the fall of communism.

July 29, 2010 at 1:22 pm
(36) Danny says:

This author is an idiot!

December 13, 2010 at 11:52 pm
(37) I Actually Have a Brain says:

Your evidence isn’t sound. You show two different quotes — if Mr. K believed this, it’s not at all a stretch of the imagination that he would say variations of it on more than one occasion. Most politicians today do. Whether he did or didn’t say it doesn’t matter — someone in the 60′s said it, and it seems pretty prophetic. What amazes me most is how many people seem so blind to where we’re heading. I mean, just read your article. You sound condescending and arrogant, yet of course you must be right and those of us who disagree our such astounding idiots and so beneath you.

Buddy, we’re heading down a very bad road, and by the time it gets bad enough for people like you to wake up and realize it, we’ll already be knee-high in a lot of crap.

January 18, 2011 at 5:07 pm
(38) Allie says:

This is a fascinating article and the comments are almost more fascinating! I’m writing my MA thesis on British perspectives of the Soviet Union from 1929-1943, both left-wing and right-wing, pro-Soviet and anti-Soviet. The level to which both sides got it completely wrong astonishes me sometimes, but it was the right-wing who was especially distinguished by their acceptance of all kinds of myths and lies. I find it fascinating to take a foray into the internet of the 21st century and see just how similar things are now.

Just a comment: Regardless of what side I would take in Left-Right battles, it is NEVER a good sign when either side has to resort to untruths and distortions to make a point. Sure, you may be correct in what is happening in the USA (although I don’t think you are) – however, it will NEVER help your cause to lie about it. This article shows just how easy it is to pick apart your argument, once you bring lies into the mix.

January 23, 2011 at 5:12 am
(39) Woody says:

I thought your article was interesting. I think the comments were even more interesting because they revealed more about people’s willingness to reject arguments based on their own biases. Several things I just wanted to mention.

1.) For those who commented that are LDS or concerned about LDS “hatred”, Benson did not speak these words in position as a prophet (which office he did not hold at the time he gave this talk) but as a political insider speaking at a religious University. It would be like the Pope speaking at Notre Dame rather than the Pope issuing a Papal Bull.

2.) Benson’s political views and his expression of them in settings such as the one where he gave this talk often brought chastisement down on him from LDS Church leaders. To say Benson it was impossible for Benson to stretch the truth for political purposes would be to ignore his own record as a politician as well as ignore the concerns Church leaders had about his practicing this very tactic. This is well documented, but for a brief summary, I would recommend the following link:
http://theldsleft.blogspot.com/2009/09/ezra-taft-benson-end-of-all-political.html

3.) Towards the end of Benson’s Church Presidency, the Church began to excommunicate people from the Church who were to far to the right, including members who supported the John Birch Society, the anti-communist group Benson himself supported when he was younger. Here’s a link from the Salt Lake Tribune on the subject which was written at that time:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/political-science/fascism/LDS.press

January 23, 2011 at 5:13 am
(40) Woody says:

4.) Benson also taught that giving blacks equal rights as whites was a sign of Communism “creeping” into the US. He also taught that Martin Luther King Jr was a Communist agent, that the real motive of the Civil Rights movement (aside from instituting Communism) was the desire of black men to marry white women (what a heinous crime that would be, right?…sarcasm intended). He also believed people who played with face cards, even if not for gambling, should be stripped of the Mormon priesthood, that permitting your wife to take birth control should have similar punishment. Whether or not he was a good Mormon or even good Church leader has nothing to do with the fact that his personal and political opinions were a little whacky sometimes (which is exactly why the Church distanced itself from his views whenever possible).

5.) Are some of you serious about Reagan being honorable and incapable of lying? Whether or not you liked his policies, liked him as a person, and like his legacy, there is no doubt about his sometimes shady tactics in pursuit of political goals. Has no one heard of Iran Contra? His support for Saddam Hussein and his selling of chemical and biological weapons to Iraq? What about his Presidencies training and funding of death squads in Central America? I’m just saying.

January 26, 2011 at 11:01 am
(41) Reggie says:

Allie, if you don’t think it is happening, you are probably a liberal. Just look at all of the encroachment of govt. into our lives, and how the govt. is trying to get Americans to depend on it. Not only that, but govt. is trying to be the boss and have the final say in every little thing in our lives.

February 1, 2011 at 12:56 pm
(42) Harriieee says:

I hope the author wasn’t expecting constructive criticism.

A brief summary of the article who were too busy raging against the communist threat within:

Ezra Benson directly contradicted his own story, by originally saying that Khrushchev was reported to have said it, and then claiming that it was said directly to him, first-hand, embellishing the story while he’s at it. Why didn’t he just come out and say he heard it the first time round? Why would he change his story? Probably because he was lying. Anyone think of another reason?

Meanwhile, Benson is the only source of this story, no-one else has ever heard of it from another source, so is not cross-verifiable.

Iffy. Good examination, shame about the morons pervading the comments section.

April 12, 2011 at 12:49 pm
(43) PP says:

I once heard a second hand account of an important person saying nice things about my home town. I reported it to all my friends. I later heard the important person say the same thing in my presence and I reported that to all my friends.

If my words were slightly different the second time or there were new details added does that make me a liar? Is the statement less true because it was said twice?

The story about Kruchev was not changed at all and it is entirely possible and likely that both accounts are true.

Of course you know this you are just doing you best to discredit a valid source, and if you know anyting about Ezra Taft Benson you would know that there is very little (if any) chance that he was lying or embelishing his story.

March 3, 2011 at 4:36 pm
(44) Norman Thomas says:

I always thought this was a rip-off of the US Politician Norman Thomas from the 40′s.

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. -Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

July 8, 2011 at 6:45 pm
(45) rich tissot says:

All the signs…and watchmen have our fellow Americans don’t wake up, it’s ’cause they don’t WANT to. People have evidenced this as related to today’s system ,& they just refuse to believe “it can never happen here”. Unfortunately, the same will be in camps saying “why didn’t someone tell us?”They had history, the signs, & the watchmen. Billboards screaming the message would still be ignored!
However, it is our DUTY to warn the people.

March 9, 2011 at 2:29 am
(46) 2freedumbindividualstoo says:

thanks, you pathetic sloth…. perhaps your energy should have been spent investigating why we had a candidate that was raised in a communist-church-attending family and what that might mean for our values…. the ones that love freedom, personal property rights, and respect individual freewill RATHER than spend so much time trying to in-authenticate attribution as a means of debunking a threat!

What kind of fool points a gun at the first amendment and pulls the trigger to show the bullets aren’t really made by smith-n-wesson.? ……you idiot!

well the irony is that you are bloggerist- you express your opinion online a right you have sold to the devil to help the poor with distribution of wealth…… and it will be the self-deprecating nonsense you advocated that gets you trapped in what you defended…. so, when this closes down shortly here and you have no where to run because (and I heard Ron Reagan and the words come out of his mouth myself) if we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to this is the last stand on earth…. you can remind yourself just how much of a non-commie pig obama really was… Nice work fool!

April 12, 2011 at 12:40 pm
(47) PP says:

Benson was always a man if integrity and honor. Some of the slanderous comments here areproven falacies, foisted on us by anti-mormon web sites and people opposed to his political positions. I have read them all in the past and seen them all debunked in much greater authority than this author presented.

In a court of law Benson’s statement would be accepted as Prima Facie evidence, since he is a primary witness and a person of impecible credentials; and in the absence of conflicting evidence would be regarded as established fact. Mr Emery presents no such conflicting evidence, just an opinion that Benson is lying since the library of congress has no official record, and that it is impossible (apparently) for a person make the same statement twice.

May 10, 2011 at 11:11 pm
(48) bon27 says:

There is no record of many things that were said but nevertheless they were spoken. This quotes goes way back. Much of our history has been deleted from the text books and much has been twisted to suit an agenda. I had this quote in my records and to whom it was said but lost it all on my computer. It is something that sounds like Kruschev – I know because I was around during WW2. I’ve heard many things that he said.

May 16, 2011 at 2:22 pm
(49) Michael says:

Obama is still a socialist dispite the fabricated quotes my friend!!

July 2, 2011 at 9:57 am
(50) LSW says:

Sir, your claims that this is bogus IS BOGUS. This is so obviously a lefty “opinion” that its laughable. Just think…by your own logic, in a few years someone will say that YOU never said what you said….. I’ll take the word of Pres. Reagan and Secretary of Agriculture Benson, over yours any day!

Do you really believe what you say? Try taking off your rose colored glasses, and take a look at what is going on around you. These quotes are so close to being fulfilled, that its about to smack us all in the face as 20/20 hindsight!

bogus….yeah right!

August 24, 2011 at 2:01 pm
(51) Jackson says:

Some of the comments here are truly insane.

Khrushchev never said this. If you read the Udall article from 1962, he got the Library of Congress, the State Department, the Legislative Reference Service, and the USIA to investigate, and NONE of them could find proof that Khrushchev ever said it.

Right wingers just made it up, and of course, their audiences — like most of you here — just believed it because they said it was true.

Pointing out that their claims were all lies isn’t “defending Khrushchev” either. It’s defending the truth.

Conservatives lied about this, plain and simple. And just because the lie was repeated over and over again, that doesn’t make it the truth. That was Goebbels’ favorite technique. You think Americans might know better than to fall for it. But I guess not. What a mindless bunch of morons you are.

September 27, 2011 at 11:18 am
(52) Darell Thorpe says:

Benson said that he had talked with communist leaders, such as Khrushchev “face to face.” If so, there must have been an interpreter there too. So, who was that person(s)? It would be interesting to track such person(s) down, to ask them what they have to say about this matter. However, that such an attack on the USA economy is underway, suggest an intentional economic war being fought. The fact that Benson said that this was a comment to him in person, makes this hard to disprove, or prove, unless someone had a tape going or camera recording the event, unless it was said in private too. The obvious fact is, that we are now in an economic war, jobs are being out sourced, workers imported, & other sources I’ve read say that communists said that they would do seek to destroy USA’s economy. Want sources? I got em!
http://restoredgospelevidences.blogspot.com/2011/07/prophetic-warnings-other-reasons-why-to.html

February 7, 2012 at 1:26 pm
(53) Sue Dohmin says:

Well, this is a great example of contextual discretion. Reasonably, we don’t know if it was actually said or not, we don’t know if most of the things we believe are true or not. We make our own reality by imposing judgements on information and use context to reason and extrapolate a conclusion or self-truth. In actuality, there is no truth, only perception and the best we can do is try to achieve a proxy for reality through a preponderance of contextual discretion and applied reason. It is a fallacy to assume that if it can’t be proved, it is then false. The real question is not whether the words were spoken, but has the West been fed communism drip by drip without realizing it. IMO, yes, not solely based on Khrushchevs alleged “quote” in isolation but based on the preponderance of evidence. Ironically, it is the application of Marxist Critical Theory that has created the inability of individuals to asses realty. Criticizing the individual components leads the mind to focus on the tree and fail to realize that they are within an ideologically oppressive forest. Careful, those thought in your head may not be your own. Ideological subversion is the imposition of tyranny, the best defense is individual liberty through critical thinking, anathema to the derivatives of Collectivism..

Basically, using that quote in contextual isolation to prove the meaning of the statement true is a false application of reason, but also using the doubt of legitimacy of the statement to prove the meaning false is a false application of reason. All information must be processed in context and compiled to attain “reality”, which unfortunately may never be the truth but close enough. Since we live in a culture of lies, manipulation and deceit, it is very difficult to think critically.

March 9, 2012 at 3:51 pm
(54) Roderick T. Beaman says:

This reminds me of a similar statement attributed to Norman Thomas. Though never proved, both are apocryphal, as is much of history. There are elements of fascism, socialism and outright communism at work in this adminstration. Of that there can be no doubt but this has been the case with just about every presidencysince Fraklin Delano Roosevelt.

March 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm
(55) The Emperor is Naked says:

It matters little who said, we’re living it.

March 27, 2012 at 10:19 pm
(56) bonniewheeler says:

Why would one not take Ezra Taft Benson’s word for this? He said that Kruschev made this statment to him. Is he a farce or something similar? Was he ever discredited in anything he said or did?

March 28, 2012 at 3:42 pm
(57) erichwalker says:

Oh my lord. Did it ever occur to you that Kruschev might have said this phrase SEVERAL TIMES? That he liked the phrase, and repeated it both before and during his visit to the United States in 1959.

More to the point, does it sound like anything Kruschev, or any other Communist dictator, would be abhored to say? Is it truely news to you that leaders like Kruschev, Stalin and Mao seek to export their world view to other countries including the United States?

As Gorbachev said during the fall of the Soviet Union, (paraphrasing) ‘we all knew socialism didn’t work. The evidence was all around us. The only people who thought socialism could work were in the west.’

March 29, 2012 at 3:19 am
(58) Martin Hamilton says:

This is just one chapter in the long saga of the struggle between evidence and faith. Between the questioning of authority and its acceptance. Lies from authority or gospel from an average Joe? Like the unresolvable schism between Right and Left and the uncloseable gaps between politicians and voters, where do we go from here?

April 6, 2012 at 5:13 pm
(59) GuitarMan says:

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State “income” taxes. We call it “paying your fair share”.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public “law” 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of “terrorists” and those who speak out or write against the “government” (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc…).

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

April 6, 2012 at 5:21 pm
(60) GuitarMan says:

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver’s licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read “controlled or subsidized” rather than “owned”… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public “law” 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. (To brainwash our Children with communism) !!!

April 6, 2012 at 5:24 pm
(61) GuitarMan says:

That, Ladies & Germs, was the TEN PLANKS OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO ALIVE AND WELL IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SO EMERY IS FULL OF BULLS–T !!!

April 6, 2012 at 9:18 pm
(62) David Emery says:

Re GuitarMan: It’s true, we have an income tax and free public education in America, proof positive we live under the iron thumb of Communism.

May 2, 2012 at 9:10 am
(63) Thrillseeker says:

That has to be on of the most smarmy, self righteous, all knowing articles I have ever read. Is it not possible that Kruschev made the remark on multiple occasions? What an idiot. Benson was a good, Godly man who cared about his country. You, sir, are an obvious example of #20 in “The Communist Takeover Of
America – 45 Declared Goals”. http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm
If you can’t see how far this country has declined down the slippery slope to socialism and communism you are either blind or part of the problem.

May 14, 2012 at 10:47 am
(64) Mark says:

Whether he said it word for word is not the point. Just look at the direction the country is going. We are getting small doses of communism and following the footsteps of other countries that turned communist.

June 20, 2012 at 11:59 am
(65) KevinVA says:

How ignorant that some of you think that every word an official says is “followed” and/or “recorded.” Private meetings between two officials do not get recorded and thus, cannot be followed.

I don’t know where Reagan heard it, but Benson says he heard him saying it during a conversation between the two men. He’s a direct witness in the court of Public Opinion.

That being said, Khrushchev was not a big fan of the United States, we WERE engaged in the Cold War and one of their goals was to spread Communism.

The only thing “Bogus” on this page, is the journalistic integrity of about.com.

July 7, 2012 at 1:50 pm
(66) David says:

Yea that’s it!!! It’s just all made up! We all know that Khruscchev was a really REALLY wonderful guy and that communism IS the best government model. C:

July 12, 2012 at 1:16 am
(67) Corbetto says:

Whether said or not, can you deny the fact that Socialism can lead to Communism? Can you honestly say that the gov’t providing almost everything for its citizens is not Communism? Keep trying to fool yourselves and take a comparative political systems class.

July 22, 2012 at 8:55 am
(68) Sissum71 says:

“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
-Norman Thomas

This is an actual quote from Thomas. Sounds like someone copied it and changed it a bit. I believe this is a much clearer description of what we are seeing now.
The truth is painful to some when it is this accurate. Although they will never admit it…

August 1, 2012 at 8:49 pm
(69) A Mental Health Professional says:

Reading through these comments reminds me of an old joke I was told years ago during my training about the futility of arguing with someone who is delusional. The joke goes like this:

One day in medical school a group of students make their first visit to the psychiatric ward. The chief psychiatrist greets them and explains that they will get to meet one of the patients, Joe, who suffers from delusional thinking in that he is totally convinced that he is dead.

A nurse then brings Joe in and the chief psychiatrist asks, “Joe, why are you here?”

“Well,” Joe replies, “I guess I’m in the hospital because I’m dead.”

The chief psychiatrist then turns to the medical students and asks if anyone would like to try and convinced Joe that he is not dead. One hot shot student immediately raises his hand and says, “I can prove to Joe that he’s not dead.”

The chief psychiatrist stands back and says, “Be my guest.”

The arrogant young medical student walks up to Joe and says, “So, if I understand you right, you’re saying that you are clinical dead, right?”

Joe replies, “Yeah, I’m dead.”

The student looks at Joe and says, “In my training I’ve learned that dead men don’t bleed. So if you’re dead then you can’t bleed, right?”

“That’s right,” says Joe, “I’m dead and dead men don’t bleed.”

Poker faced, the medical student then asks, “Mind if we demonstrate that for everyone by letting me prick your finger with a needle?”

“No,” says Joe, “I’m dead so it won’t bother me.”

The medical student proceeds to pull out a sterile hypodermic needle and pricks Joe’s finger. At once once a bright red drop of blood appears.

“Okay Joe,” says the cocky medical student, “now what do you have to say?”

“I’ll be damned,” says Joe, “Dead Men Do Bleed!”

The point here is this: For some people belief will always trump facts or logic. Don’t waste your time arguing with those who are delusional.

August 6, 2012 at 12:27 pm
(70) John S says:

‘perhaps he never said any such thing at all’ is not the same as ‘Bogus’. Typical mind games tactic. Here, let me try one ‘EVERYONE KNOWS David Emery is a lib and can’t be trusted with facts’!

Why not say ‘Questionable’ or ‘possibly fake’? Because you have an agenda just like you claim those who ‘made up’ this quote do.

More importantly, is the statement true? Hard to say it isn’t as government grabs more power every day taxes us all to financial ‘equality’ = commune-ism. We may be more communist than capitalist now!

August 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm
(71) bob says:

actually, I do believe Stalin said it

September 14, 2012 at 2:56 am
(72) Marc says:

Funny thing nobody is discussing the merit of the phrase, only if Comrade Nikita said it. I guess those who don’t like to hear that will claim he did not say that. What a defense against a good summary of the last 20 years !

September 19, 2012 at 10:33 pm
(73) Kris says:

The entire article & most of the comments beg the most important observation. Socialism is far more than just creeping into American society & it is extremely damaging. If we allow it to continue we will awaken one day to something far worse. So whether the Commie said it or not, it’s actually happening.

September 23, 2012 at 7:19 pm
(74) waterboy says:

Can you prove he didn’t say it, don’t think so.

September 24, 2012 at 9:27 am
(75) Rick says:

It was Khrushchev that did state, in one of his speeches, that the USSR will take over the US without firing a shot!

October 30, 2012 at 6:12 am
(76) aaron says:

“All roads left eventually lead to communism ” Master commie architect Carl Marks?or some other slave master?”humans tend to have an individual nature”Aaron.

November 8, 2012 at 6:39 am
(77) Julie says:

I haven’t used about.com for urban legends in quite awhile…simply because I recognize Mr. Emery as a liberal. As an Independent, I look for validation sites that do not make political remarks.

November 8, 2012 at 10:09 pm
(78) Lillith Goby says:

But he did say “We will bury you” This must be a liberal site where half truths can be a lie and good Alinsky and Chjcago methods.

http://www.ask.com/wiki/We_will_bury_you

November 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm
(79) Jor-L5150 says:

@ # 62 david emory-

it is not “FREE”.
your retort is nullified.

November 10, 2012 at 2:48 pm
(80) Ross says:

Doesn’t matter whether he said it or not, it’s happening as if he did say it.

November 12, 2012 at 8:57 pm
(81) Tami says:

I don’t think that it would matter so much who said what, if it wasn’t for the fact the person inquestion is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Are you really in the need of some attention to your career? Whether or not Khrushchev was missquoted or not, I find it interesting that you are attacking good people in our history who are/were trying to make positive, peaceful changes in the world. Any President of the United States, who removes the United States of America Flag off Air Force One, should be a warning bell for everyone who cares about this great nation. And I most certainly agree with Rob Crawley.

November 12, 2012 at 9:28 pm
(82) Kjirstin Youngberg says:

How many private conversions do you suppose the USA was recording back in 1959, Mr. Emery?

That this was both spoken AND recorded in his own voice, yet you still refuse to accept it, speaks volumes more about yourself than Eisenhower’s Secretary of Agriculture.

I’ve noticed many things over the years “attributed to” certain liberals are immediately embraced by you with little thought to referencing, though when Obama whispered his little -wait ’til I’m re-elected- wink at the Russians, you had few comments. (…and no; I’m not going to look up the exact quote…you can find it yourself with a couple of mouse clicks.)

As a photojournalist and author, I like to keep my facts straight, and make every effort to record quotes in “quotes” but when speaking, even with notes, lines are often blurred. The message here is essentially the same.

(continued)

November 12, 2012 at 9:30 pm
(83) Kjirstin Youngberg says:

Part 2

Benson is not one of my favorites; he was very negative on communism, but perhaps it was because he watched countries who embraced it change, become corrupted, and fail. He was asked to host Khrushchev, and I have no doubt, knowing Benson personally, that he brought this subject up somewhere during their conversation on agriculture. That Khrushchev responded so boldly is also part of his makeup. He was a well-documented hothead.

Khrushchev did say, “Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all.” Moscow 9/17/1955 as reported in the NY Times the following day, and the famous “we will bury you” uttered and recorded by Swedish, Polish and Yugoslavians at various times. The best English translation of it seems to be, “Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will dig you in.” (We will bury you.)

Face it. The Benson quote is probably just as true as the man who claimed it said it was, and went to his deathbed without denying it. Unlike today, honesty was a mans HONOR. It was worth something more than gold. Today, most of us know better than to believe anyones word is his honor. There is no honor today.

November 13, 2012 at 2:28 pm
(84) Cookie says:

Whether those exact words were ever muttered is mute. The sentiment is wholly true!

November 14, 2012 at 3:17 pm
(85) Jeff says:

Who cares, ultimately, about the details of this quote—-when it was said, where it was said, if it was even said at all—–shouldn’t the notion freak everyone out? Isn’t it true? It really does appear that our country is slowly turning towards socialism. People are eagerly willing to give up a portion of their personal freedoms in exchange for something free… like food, health care, fancy electronic gadgets, or whatever else. When we choose to give up personal freedom so that we can have something that seems to make a segment of our lives easier, we slowly open the door to socialism. Regardless of what political leanings you have, this is the truth.

November 15, 2012 at 6:06 am
(86) David says:

“Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence!”

Like a typical liberal Mr. Emery uses implication and distortion to attack. Mr Emory wants us to believe that people can only say something one time in their lives and as such it is impossible for Kruschev to say that again to Mr. Benson in private.

November 15, 2012 at 11:59 am
(87) Charles Bird says:

Well. here is another quote from Nikita. does it not say much the same thing? “If one cannot catch a bird of paradise, better take a wet hen.”

November 21, 2012 at 2:41 pm
(88) jeriberri says:
December 9, 2012 at 6:30 pm
(89) Heidi says:

I’m at a loss after reading these comments. A hand full of people told a whole group to stop listening to hearsay and listen to the research and facts, and they were put in line with the communists. Then there is the fear that socialism is communism. Let’s get this straight, Socialism is where everyone has a say in the way our government and everyone benefits from our economy, not just the upper class. Communism is where only a select few have a say in our government and only a select few benefit from our economy, mainly the upper class.
We have been implementing socialist laws into this country long before Khrushchev was even in the picture. Women’s right to vote, civil rights, the New Deal, etc. are all socialist and have all made this country better for everyone who lives in it and not just rich, white males.
As for you Repubs on here that actually said that Reagan was a great President and you would take his word over research and fact, wow. You are probably the same people who took his word when he was selling weapons to Iran, or when 138 officials from Reagans administration were convicted, indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations.
You people will follow anyone as long as they tell you what you want to hear…..sad really.

December 28, 2012 at 6:54 pm
(90) Mister B says:

This is the latest fad on the internet to disprove who said what. Almost every quote by the Founding Fathers is being questioned by liberals somewhere on the internet.

January 1, 2013 at 9:44 am
(91) nani says:

Who cares who said it? If your apartment building was on fire and someone screamed “There is a fire! Get out!” Would you stand around and argue about who said it or would you take pro-active measures to save yourself and your family? The “who said it” is not relevant at this stage in the game.

January 12, 2013 at 4:12 pm
(92) TJefferson says:

Funny thing about history and facts. Just because you cannot find specific, detailed facts about something does not mean it did not happen.
Take another example from Nikita Khrushchev and the statement posted “the premier of the Soviet Union, whose every word was meticulously followed by thousands of American officials in the State Department, CIA, FBI, etc.? According to reports Nikita Khrushchev’s shoe-banging incident allegedly occurred at some point in autumn, 1960 (on 23, or 29 September, or on 12 or 13 October during the 902nd Plenary Meeting of the UN General Assembly held in New York. In protest of a speech by Philippine delegate Lorenzo Sumulong or in responding to the British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan.
Point being the later incident happened, nobody knows the exact date or the exact reason – Guess his EVERY WORD was not followed by thousands.

January 12, 2013 at 8:31 pm
(93) David Emery says:

The comparison of the quote to the shoe-banging incident isn’t really so apt. In the latter we’re confronted with the rather common phenomenon of multiple witnesses disagreeing over the details of an event. In the former we’re confronted with the more unique phenomenon of there existing only one individual who has ever claimed to have witnessed the utterance, and he can’t even agree with himself.

January 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm
(94) WiseGuy says:

I don’t care who said what… the quotes sure look like what is happening. Scarey times for the USA, but most people are too busy looking for what their government can do for them to realize what we are losing in the process.

January 22, 2013 at 5:01 pm
(95) Michael Eiseman says:

I’m guessing you don’t believe Whittacker Chambers either…useful idiot, yes you are.

January 28, 2013 at 7:53 pm
(96) Gino says:

I believe Khrushchev did say this, but even if he did not it is a perfect summation of what has been happening to us for 100 years. Obama is the fulfillment of the Communist rotting of America from the inside out. Watch this: http://vimeo.com/52009124 -

February 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm
(97) BeenThereDoneThat says:

Heidi – So you think exposing the Iran Contra is proof of Republican Party dishonor. Well my dear, become enlightened. At the rate the Obama loving media and White House government officials are sweeping information under the rug and outright lying regarding the current cover-up to murder of American officials and military in the Benghazi affair, I would say pretty much makes the Republican Iran Contra affair seem like a play day at the park. Even Nixon had to resign over Watergate and no American was killed in that affair. So where is your righteous indignation regarding the current Democratic mishandling of foreign matters and protection of American interests both foreign and domestic? Have you no decency? Who cares who said what by whom? Fact of the matter our government is covering up murder and people like you are giving them a “pass”.

February 19, 2013 at 11:20 am
(98) joanofarc says:

When the following excerpt from a 1966 speech delivered by former Secretary of Agriculture (under Eisenhower) Ezra Taft Benson was submitted as “proof” that the following Khrushchev quote is authentic., the diehard voters chose to dismiss it because nothing was available in writing.

Yet they willingly accept without proper validation Obama’s questionable background. The fact that he has spent over 1 million dollars to keep his personal records sealed, should spark some concern from everyone, but not the diehard voters. They become willing accomplices in the perjury and fraud he committed against us and our Constitution.

Why is it that people will confuse loyalty with betrayal and hypocrisy to honesty? There wiliness to accept promises and lies, shows a lack of concern to quantify anything which distorts their own selfish views. Instead of demanding the truth once and for all, they readily dismiss anything which will burst their bubble, at the expense to us all!

February 24, 2013 at 8:48 am
(99) Alex says:

And it is possible that Benson’s comments are BOTH true since one addresses what was said prior to the visit and one during the visit. Don’t you think it is plausible that a world leader would repeat the same catch phrases everywhere he goes? I’ve seen video of Obama saying the same exact things from country to country in his world tour, and even in his 2 presidential campaigns. If someone says he heard at one event and another person at another event, it does not mean they are contradicting each other.

February 25, 2013 at 6:08 pm
(100) Skip says:

Is this website a front for the Communist Party of America?

March 3, 2013 at 11:52 am
(101) Barbara says:

Instead of Nikita Khrushchev is sounds like something Obama would say. However, just because it can’t be verified, doesn’t mean he didn’t say it. And to Brian, obviously you voted for Obama so evidently you believed his lies and propaganda. That’s the pot calling the kettle black.

March 3, 2013 at 4:47 pm
(102) Salia says:

“Or, perhaps, he never said any such thing at all.” Important Word “Perhaps”. Did the thought ever occur to you that “Perhaps” Khrushchev mentioned versions of the same idea more than once? If Ezra Taft Benson stated that,” As we talked face-to-face, he INDICATED that my grandchildren would live under Communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in my power to assure that his, and all other grandchildren, will live under freedom, he arrogantly declared, IN SUBSTANCE:

“You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright. But we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you; we’ll so weaken your economy until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands.” So, basically, you fail at PROVING that Ezra Taft Benson LIED. He claimed to have HEARD Khrushchev say it to his FACE!

March 15, 2013 at 5:46 am
(103) Jeff says:

After seeing evidence that the quote was heard first hand, the same low information voters say there is no evidence. No wonder Obama is president. Good lap dogs.

March 22, 2013 at 9:14 am
(104) Vic McCance says:

If only you were this thorough about the extravagant claims by the left. Most recently regarding the 2nd Ammendment. The fact is the statement has proven to be TRUE whether Khrushchev said it or not. If YOU want a Socialist/Communist nation then have the BACKBONE to come out and say so. Then try and get the U.S. Constitution changed to reflect that. Instead you and your ilk spout this “living breathing document” crap and regulate the country through UN-Constitutional mandates that our spineless Congress is either too weak or too stupid block. Thanks for being part of the problem. You’re right on track towards leading the world back into despotism.

April 14, 2013 at 11:41 am
(105) wendy says:

I don’t know if he said it or not, but I do know that there is another option beisdes what the author presented (rather than all those people lied) – that he said it more than once, to more than one person.

May 4, 2013 at 11:25 pm
(106) Madrid says:

Ah the idiocracy of the right-wing idiots. I bet the author of this article could not define either socialism or communism. And yes there is a difference, which is arguably greater than the difference between socialism and capitalism. First of all, there is no proof that Khrushchev ever said that. Second of all, Obama is in no way socialist, let alone communist, otherwise you likely would have heard of him nationalizing industries. You idiot conservatives and reactionaries think that liberalism is socialism, when socialism is a radical political and economic theory.

May 19, 2013 at 10:44 pm
(107) Capryl says:

The “You Americans are so gullible…” quote attributed to Khrushchev was forwarded to me recently by one of my friends on the right. This time it was connected with the shoe-banging incident which I thought was part of recorded history. It didn’t look right to me, so I Googled it, finding it in a bunch of other conservative blogs, and also here, where I often turn for the truth about “quotes”.
In fact, I am a conservative, an admirer of Reagan but not of Obama. But I do not believe this to be a quote from Nikita K. Even Mr. Benson above, said that is what NK said “in substance”. Perhaps that was the “gist” of it, but it should not be put in quotation marks. Yes, my friends, it DOES matter who said it and exactly what was said. It is the difference between the truth and a lie. False “quotes” do damage to the credibility of whoever is spreading the lie, so I don’t want this to be done by my fellow conservatives.
Fortunately, almost everything said in public now is recorded. There’s plenty of bad stuff from Obama & friends “on tape” now. We don’t need to make stuff up.
Sometimes I think I should record everything I say at home, work, etc. when I’m sure I didn’t say something attributed to me. “You basically said…” often conveys a misunderstanding of what I actually said.
Another thing. I don’t think Khruschev had a good command of English, where he could have said that to Ezra T. Benson or anyone. The truth is probably “lost in translation”

May 25, 2013 at 5:29 pm
(108) Nikita says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNyI78XneQU

David, are you dumb or just lazy?

Seriously, weak argument.

May 30, 2013 at 9:41 pm
(109) Speak2Truth says:

I’ve heard the same comment made at Democrat/Communist meetings in the USA. The Big Joke at those meetings is that through taxation they will make us pay for their destruction of the USA from within. They laugh out loud at that. Not kidding.

As Obama’s Czar John Holdren put it, the Left’s objective is to “de-develop” the United States.

What makes that possibly fake quote believable is that the Left are actually doing what Kruschev allegedly said.

Think About It

June 17, 2013 at 4:37 pm
(110) Devildogger says:

Hmmmm, whom do I believe? Should I believe a POTUS whose love fore this country was undeniable or some nobody on urbanlegends.com? That is a no brainer for me, seeing how urbanlegends is about as believable as snopes.

August 4, 2013 at 12:57 pm
(111) Georgie Reader says:

Benson says this…. “…. He arrogantly declared, in substance,…..”
He laid out for himself a caveat while warning his audience he was about to embellish, probably greatly, the words of a man he once spoke with regarding agriculture. Maybe, in substance, that is what Khruschev said… Or it was simply what Benson heard.

August 8, 2013 at 11:08 pm
(112) infidel says:

Whether he said it or not, does it make it any less true?

August 13, 2013 at 6:16 pm
(113) dansoel says:

I’m sure Krushchev could have said similar statements at different and multiple times and to different people. Also, the two statements are basically the same but with a different focus (American people versus our leadership), so I would count them as two different quotes.

August 13, 2013 at 6:20 pm
(114) dansoel says:

This quote has the ring of truth. For example, my daughter has to read a book for her high school AP History class this summer. I read a couple of the pages of the book, “The American Political Tradition and the Men Who Made It” and pronounced out loud that this book was written by a communist. I looked it up and found that Richard Hofstadter, the author, had been a member of the Communist Party. He has stated that he hates capitalism and wants to get rid of it. I didn’t like his smearing of our Founding Fathers and of Lincoln, either. I have profound concern about indoctrinating our students with such anti-American propaganda.

August 17, 2013 at 7:18 am
(115) James Poll says:

You are INCORRECT. CHANGE YOUR COMMENT Mr. David Emery! Former secretary Benson of the Eisenhower Administration was forced to spend a day with Khrushchev and here is what Benson said of the experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNyI78XneQU

August 23, 2013 at 6:42 am
(116) TC says:

Emery’s attempted refutation of this Kruschev statement is, well, quite pathetic. He claims to know better than Ezra Taft Benson what Mr. Kruschev said to Mr. Benson. Believe it or not, Mr. Emery, every leader of every country of the world said a lot more than what is recorded. The fact that Mr. Benson prefaces his recollection with “in substance” tells us all that he’s recalling the statement. As someone who has, as an attorney, dealt with witnesses recalling what others said, they never remember word-for-word, but they do remember the substance.

This is one of the least convincing attempts at “fact checking” that I’ve ever read. Try again, Emery.

August 25, 2013 at 11:39 am
(117) Mack says:

Whether Kruschev actually said it or not is kind of irrelevant since the main theme of the statement attributed to him is actually being carried out by the left wing of our political system.

September 1, 2013 at 10:42 am
(118) Pelosi Galore says:

It doesn’t matter whether he said it or not. The fact is, it has completely come to fruition. Obama’s mother was a Communist. His father was a Marxist. His grandparents were Communists. They introduced him to Communists.

“Progressive” is just a fancier word for Communist.

If it quacks like a duck….

September 4, 2013 at 9:32 am
(119) Giallopudding says:

Why this quote persists in our culture is that it rings true. Communism is an insidious mindset of collectivism which denies the individual in favor of the state. It is a virus, and has caused untold devastation in all its varying forms and degrees. The author of this article seems to think that by proving Khruschev did not utter the words in the timeframe quoted, that the meaning is somehow debased. Wrong. Nothing ever rang more true.

September 23, 2013 at 10:05 pm
(120) jw says:

“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened.” Norman Thomas, 7 time Socialist Candidate for President in the US

September 25, 2013 at 11:24 am
(121) Dan Hryniszak says:

That’s right stupid Americans, dispute the legitimacy of the words being an exact quotation from Khrushev. Ignore the fact that Reagan said this is what Khruschev means, and that it is true. It is documented fact that in a speech given by Ronald Reagan in 1961, Reagan gave us this warning.

Guess what? Khrushev never did say these words. Khrushev did not speak English well enough to say these words. I did hear him say that “We will burry you”. Watched his lips move.

Today, we are so stupid, we argue whether Khrushchev actually said this or not, instead of looking at what is happening to us, our Government, our rising Taxes, our declining education system, our declining ecconomy, our declining society, our lost Freedoms, and our losing the memory of who were and allowing those who gave their lives for our Freedoms to have died in vain.

But lets argue whether Khruschev said this or not….Stupidity!

October 11, 2013 at 12:00 pm
(122) Carol says:

A red herring article. Thanks Dan for stating the main idea and the obvious, a reality that has slipped away from this journalist.

October 16, 2013 at 1:10 pm
(123) Mike says:

If it is such a made up quote why do we have recorded recognition of it happening!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SI_aw1A_ssg

October 18, 2013 at 3:03 pm
(124) Incredulous1 says:

To all you who are stuck on the fact the quote was never “documented”, do you really think if he said it, Khrushchev would ever ALLOW it to be documented? He was not stupid enough to ever let something like that to be used against him – and it is quite obvious such a quote WOULD be used against him. To simply refute the quote based on the fact it was never documented ignores the fact; Khrushchev was no fool.

October 22, 2013 at 12:48 am
(125) Todd says:

This is a Schrodingers Cat argument.

October 25, 2013 at 1:49 am
(126) mkbrown says:

after reading all of the comments above, I have to ascertain this. I feel that after hearing Ronald Reagan refer to it, and the fact that Mr. E T Benson witnessed him saying it ( whether or not he remembers his dates right, he still heard this with his own ears) I must accept that it was said, or at the least implied. Nevertheless looking at the aims and goals of the communist Soviet Union from the past, I would have to , and you should see this also, that they (communists) have made it their goal to do just that!!! To turn Amarica into a socialist nation, and I see it unfolding each and every day!!! It scares the bejeziz out of me as I see Godless men and women sitting in power seats running this land of the free and home of the brave!!! Yes I believe he (kruzschev) said it, lived it , and meant with everything within him to see it happen!!!!!

October 26, 2013 at 5:55 pm
(127) Jack Galvin says:

Too many Good people said he said it….I’m going with he said it….I’m Gullible like that. !!!!

October 28, 2013 at 4:31 pm
(128) Doug Weaver says:

It doesn’t matter if he actually said this or not really. What he said or did not say is happening as we speak and to deny that makes you a delusional sheep so married to your party’s disgusting dogma guarantees the absolute demise of the most generous, greatest republic in the history of the world.

“Our government with its liberty and free institutions will not long survive a government trained and supervised youth. Such a youth can be a revolutionary machine. The ravening wolves are amongst us, from our own membership, and they, more than any others, are clothed in sheep’s clothing because they wear the habiliments of the priesthood…we should be careful of them.” ~~ J. Reuben Clark

October 31, 2013 at 1:06 pm
(129) James Poll says:

The two references by Secretary Benson about Khrushchev appear to be two separate statements if you take Benson’s accounts at face value. But David Emery leaps to the conclusion they are fallacious attempts to “embellish” or mislead. Two separate statements. Pretty simple. That they are or could be is plausible. Based on the record, it appears that is the case.

It is fair to ask the question but Emery categorically insists Benson was wrong which presupposes Benson was “embellishing” or lying. Where is evidence that these are not two separate statements by Khrushchev? One in advance of his meeting with Secretary Benson and one during their encounter as Benson speaks of. Doesn’t seem to complicated to me.

So why, Emery asks didn’t Benson speak in 1966 of the personal conversation with Khrushchev of 1962, only referring to the statement made by Khrushchev 3 months previous to the visit? One thing to consider is that Benson would understandably withheld the account of his direct communication with Khrushchev from the public for political reasons and chose to divulge them at a much later time. It makes a lot of sense that Benson would not want to create diplomatic controversy as the time may not have been ripe to disclose it.

I take Secretary Benson at his word over Emery’s assumptions. I find this whole matter a curious thing. Why is Emery casting the pall of deception here when there seems to be a plausible explanation based on statements made?

October 31, 2013 at 1:46 pm
(130) James Poll says:

In Post Script:

Mr. Emery’s opening comment on the other hand evokes a degree of suspicion and hints of a predisposition and bias. This causes me to give much less credence to Mr. Emery’s suppositions. He says with apparent sarcasm,

“In case you weren’t properly terrified at the prospect of President-elect Obama and his “terrorist pals” remaking this country into a Communist police state, the far-right-wing blogosphere…”

I find no fault with his comment. It simply reveals a bias toward people who think the quote is accurate and valid and/or that they are all “far right wing” if they do. Mr. Emery discredits himself on this one, exposing his attitudes and invites inquiry in to the possibly of his having an agenda.

I personally am not some far right wing nut job. Instead of entering a debate to win the argument, in enter to win the truth. Mr. Emery is not credible here.

October 31, 2013 at 1:51 pm
(131) James Poll says:

Re-posted with corrections to the dates:

The two references by Secretary Benson about Khrushchev appear to be two separate statements if you take Benson’s accounts at face value. But David Emery leaps to the conclusion they are fallacious attempts to “embellish” or mislead. Two separate statements. Pretty simple. That they are or could be is plausible. Based on the record, it appears that is the case.

It is fair to ask the question but Emery categorically insists Benson was wrong which presupposes Benson was “embellishing” or lying. Where is evidence that these are not two separate statements by Khrushchev? One in advance of his meeting with Secretary Benson and one during their encounter as Benson speaks of. Doesn’t seem to complicated to me.

So why, Emery asks didn’t Benson speak in 1962 of the personal conversation with Khrushchev of 1959 until 1966, only referring to the statement made by Khrushchev 3 months previous to the visit? One thing to consider is that Benson would understandably withheld the account of his direct communication with Khrushchev from the public for political or diplomatic reasons and chose to divulge them at a much later time. It makes a lot of sense that Benson would not want to create diplomatic controversy as the time may not have been ripe or approriate to disclose.

I take Secretary Benson at his word over Emery’s assumptions. I find this whole matter a curious thing. Why is Emery casting the pall of deception here when there seems to be a plausible explanation based on statements made?

November 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm
(132) Johnnyboy says:

The only reason this terrifies people is because it seems to be so real. That is, it matches so closely what people perceive that it is readily believable. So it doesn’t matter who might have actually said it, people can see that it’s really happening that way. Next thing is to discredit the quote so people relax about it. This makes it easier for them to accept the change, because “It isn’t really happening”.

February 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm
(133) Jim Novotny says:

Good grief! There is no evidence that Krushchev didn’t repeat this statement directly to Benson. Political leaders are always talking and might find favorite ideas such as this or “If you like your health insurance…” and later claim they either did or didn’t say them.

February 24, 2014 at 4:16 pm
(134) linda says:

I don’t need to know if the quote is actual or not. Just look at what is going on. It’s becoming true. Those of you who don’t think it will happen, better take a better look and get involved in what is happening around their communities. Prices going up to cover Obama care, salaries going down, health care in shambles due to a piece people actually voted for to read it. Hey, sign one of your checks to me and I’ll fill it in. Why not? Same idea. I see bridge cards, free phones, free car service for people well dressed and NOT working. Why should they? There is NO incentive to work. There’s more incentive NOT TO. Thinking of quitting my job so Obama can give me handouts, too. Oh! Where will he pay for it if everyone decides not to work? Think of why Rome fell! It’s coming.

March 5, 2014 at 9:15 am
(135) PleaseWakeUp says:

So, we can split hairs over the exact wording and pretend that THIS is the main topic here, OR we can simply realize that, regardless of whom said what, we are headed down that path. If you don’t think our economy is in serious trouble, you simply do not have a grasp on what 17 TRILLION dollars of national debt means.

March 28, 2014 at 5:49 pm
(136) Trinity says:

All that said, it is happening. Never before have I seen so many Americans “entitled” to so much that they have not earned. I have never seen Americans demonize work and wealth production while championing the looting of the property of others.

Under Obama, the 1st Amendment has been trampled upon via the IRS (ironic that they plead the 5th Amendment to avoid testifying about trampling the 1st Amendment…hypocrites).

The 2nd Amendment is under attack. Too many anti-Americans in power feel American citizens should be limited or restricted from personal gun ownership. …yet this regime has armed the Muslim Brotherhood (terrorists) and violent, murdering drug cartels along our boarder and in an allied nation without the consent of that nation. there was NO law enforcement benefit to it whatsoever. …and Obama is illegally using “Executive Privilege” to hide like a coward from the public knowing the truth.

The free expression of religion is under attack (except Islam for some reason).

The 4th Amendment is under attack, via mass-spying on all Americans.
Another hypocrisy and irony, considering that this is the “president” that has gone out of his way to hide so many facets of his own past…yet he feels he has a right to know everything about your past and present without any due process.

March 30, 2014 at 4:53 pm
(137) Norm says:

To you Jim, I may not have heard Benson or Reagan personally say this. but I do remember Khrushchev pounding his shoe in 59 and I also remember hearing reports of him saying this back in the 60′s, In the 60′s. when I was going to school. I have remembered this statement for up to at least 50 years or more now. So I may be gullible, Oh well.
So if you do not believe it happened, then explain to me why it is coming to fruition now?

April 12, 2014 at 11:37 pm
(138) Ken says:

The quote may or may not be exact, but here,

https://archive.org/stream/khrushchevinamer006997mbp/khrushchevinamer006997mbp_djvu.txt

the archives of his speeches and interviews confirm that Khrushchev firmly believed the quote, references the quote on page 30, joked about it, explained what he figuratively meant by it, and in fact it carries the full weight of truth for Khrushchev, and our understanding of it.

Khrushchev in America, 1960. Full text of speeches and interviews. Published in the USSR.

I believe this ends this interesting but very tiring discussion. Some urban legends are true. I suspect that Mr. Emery still won’t acknowledge he is wrong, because the Left rarely does.

“Socialism” is fine for a local community, but when it becomes a government structure and policy, freedoms and responsibility are lost and like any other human organization, the greedy and powerful rise to the top to tell everyone else what to do because “they know best.” They turn “sharing and charity for the thankful needy neighbor” into “robbery from the wealthier and ungrateful expectation of welfare handouts.”

Ken

April 13, 2014 at 10:23 am
(139) David Emery says:

Ken writes: “the archives of his speeches and interviews confirm that Khrushchev firmly believed the quote, references the quote on page 30, joked about it,” etc., and adds: “I believe this ends this interesting but very tiring discussion.”

Except no, Ken, it doesn’t. You seem confused about which Khrushchev quote we’re discussing here. Nowhere in these archives does one find mention of the U.S. being fed small doses of socialism until one day we wake up to find we have communism. Nowhere.

April 14, 2014 at 12:09 pm
(140) Speak2Truth says:

At his UN appearance in 1959, Krushchev was question about this specific statement that he had made at an earlier reception. He was given the opportunity to deny it. Instead, he elaborated on it, assuring all present that progressive Communism would win. Look around page 30 – 31.

https://archive.org/stream/khrushchevinamer006997mbp/khrushchevinamer006997mbp_djvu.txt

And the progressive Communists in the USA have been working hard to wreck the US economy to allow it to be progressively taken over an converted to a Socialist then Communist State. They’ve been doing so since the 1930s and they have succeeded. Barack Obama nationalizing GM then handing ownership to the UAW was, in effect, raising the victory flag for Communism.

As he put it, “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” That is a Communist’s ‘justification’ for seizing the business from its rightful owners and giving it to someone else.

April 14, 2014 at 1:50 pm
(141) David Emery says:

Speak2Truth writes: “At his UN appearance in 1959, Krushchev was question about this specific statement that he had made at an earlier reception.”

No, he wasn’t. He was questioned about the “We will bury you” statement.

Like so many other commenters here, you’ve confused the quote we’re discussing with something else Khrushchev said.

Yes, he believed and stated (more than once) that the U.S. would be overtaken by communism. That’s NOT at issue. He did believe it, and he did state it. It was an article of faith for Khrushchev and his ilk.

What is at issue is the claim that Khrushchev said the U.S. would be “fed small doses of socialism” until one day we would “suddenly awake to find we have communism.” He certainly didn’t say it anywhere in the document you cited.

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