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FALSE: National Day of Prayer Canceled by Obama

By April 15, 2010

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Specimens of the rumor, as repeatedly posted on Facebook:

  1. President Obama decided that there will no longer be a "National Day of Prayer" held in May. He doesn't want to offend anyone. Where was his concern about offending Christians last January when he allowed the Muslims to hold a day of prayer on the capitol grounds. As an American Christian "I am offended." if you agree, copy and paste ... no matter what religion you are. This country was built on freedom!

  2. Obama cancelled the National Day of Prayer 2010. Well done Obama, well done.

  3. Oh Our wonderful president is at it again .... he has cancelled the national day of prayer that is held at the white house every year .... sure glad I wasn't fooled into voting for him!

  4. Wow! Last year around the time of the National Day of Prayer, Obama stated that the United States is not a Christian Nation and this year He has officially cancelled the National Day of Prayer.

The truth: President Obama has not, in fact, canceled the National Day of Prayer. Per a 1988 Act of Congress setting the observance on the first Thursday of every May, the U.S. National Day of Prayer will take place as usual on May 6, 2010.

The event took place as scheduled last year as well, although newly-elected President Obama broke with George W. Bush's practice of holding a White House ceremony on the occasion.

Neither Obama nor any other White House entity stated that the ceremony was canceled so as "not to offend anybody."

You can read Barack Obama's 2009 National Day of Prayer Proclamation here.

Update: Nat'l Day of Prayer ruled unconstitutional
In a related development, a U.S. District Court judge in Wisconsin ruled the National Day of Prayer unconstitutional today, saying the observance, to quote AP, "amounts to a call for religious action." Despite the ruling, a White House spokesman said the President will recognize the National Day of Prayer with a public proclamation, as he did in 2009.

Update: National Day of Prayer 2010 Proclamation
Despite U.S. District Court ruling that it's unconstitutional, Obama issues National Day of Prayer 2010 Proclamation.

Read more:
Obama and the National Day of Prayer
Federal Judge Rules Day of Prayer Unconstitutional
History of the National Day of Prayer
National Day of Prayer FAQs

Comments

April 15, 2010 at 12:22 pm
(1) JDP says:

Obama has chosen NOT to observe this day in the White House.
“Wednesday, Obama cancelled 2010 White House National Day of Prayer celebration. The National Day of Prayer has historically been the first Thursday in May, since Harry S. Truman put it into effect in 1952, but wasn’t official until the days of Ronald Reagan. For the past eight years, the White House has had a ceremony to celebrate the day, but Obama cancelled it for 2010.”

http://www.examiner.com/x-19632-Salt-Lake-City-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m4d15-Obama-cancelled-2010-White-House-National-Day-of-Prayer-celebration

September 11, 2010 at 4:08 pm
(2) Chelius Maximus says:

dude, did you just read this? how about this, from the White House’s PRESS RELEASE SITE. .gov, helo? not from freaking examiner.com, sponsored by google and written by some single mom in her double wide. official press release from Obama himself. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/presidential-proclamation-national-day-prayer-0 get your facts staight, moron.

August 25, 2011 at 1:30 pm
(3) Herber says:

Smart doud,

Please read my reply for “Beau” to
“get your facts staight, moron.”… to quote you.

You will learn FACTS. INDEED.
(The system would not repeat it.)

“staight” is spelled: straight

April 15, 2010 at 12:39 pm
(4) David Emery says:

Dear JDP,

Sorry to have to tell you this, but your Examiner.com source is crap.

Among other falsehoods, the author states: “President Obama said that he cancelled the National Day of Prayer celebration in reaction to the overwhelming cries of atheists and ‘other people.’”

Nuh-uh.

First, while it’s likely that, like last year, Obama won’t hold a White House ceremony on the National Day of Prayer, his precise plans for 2010 haven’t been officially announced yet.

Second, the claim that, quote, “he cancelled the National Day of Prayer celebration in reaction to the overwhelming cries of atheists and ‘other people,’” is completely bogus. At no time has President Obama or the White House stated any such thing.

April 15, 2010 at 1:15 pm
(5) Leah says:

Okay, but honestly, semantics aside, it is just another attempt for Obama to disassociate our country with anything that remotely could be considered Christian. He’s a Muslim, his actions are obvious on many an occassion. Only idiots wouldn’t see it. It’s a day of prayer for our country and if you are a Christian, or any other religion (the Muslims don’t worry about being offensive), you don’t worry about offending someone for it. That’s his religious intolerance coming through. Don’t quibble or be trite. We have elected ourself someone who intends on eroding the basis on which our country was founded, one sneaky step at a time.

February 22, 2011 at 11:44 pm
(6) Rebecca says:

WOW leah…talk about calling the kettle black many people could say the same about YOU AND YOUR HYPOCRITICAL CHRISTIAN followers…thinking you own the world….forcing your religion one everyone else like they are wrong some how….so next time u decide to open ur mouth u may want to have ur fact streight….and find a RELIABLE source!!! so sad!!!

March 30, 2011 at 6:27 pm
(7) Whatever says:

I think your illiterate comment needs more spelling mistakes, more exclamation points, and more senseless capitalization. And may I just ask you to step out of the 17th century, Christians don’t force squat on anybody anymore. There may be hypocritical Christians just as there may be hypocritical Muslims – religions don’t make you hypocritical.

April 2, 2011 at 11:26 am
(8) sxactive says:

You should really read our constitution and do research into our forefathers, and the beginnings of this country. What has made this country great is it’s moral fortitude, principals and values which are based upon Christianity. The moral decline in this country can easily be attributed to a lack of godly values and lack of dependence on God. Your facts are not “straight”.

April 20, 2011 at 7:09 pm
(9) Shaking Head says:

Rebecca, First try spell check, it really works..Second, why is it that in muslim countries people are killed for being openly Christian? At least we let them continue to practice their religion when the come to the USA.. If you are so bent on being a muslim here try to be a Christian in a muslim country, you will not live long enough to write a comment….

June 23, 2011 at 7:32 pm
(10) mike says:

Forcing your religion on everyone else ? is that what you said … do you have an education ? Do you know history ? Our country is still one nation under GOD we were founded on Christian Principles ..we are a inherently a religious and Christian nation.. as the Prime Minsiter of Australia just said to MUslims in Australia ..this is our country we have our values system our laws our beliefs and if you don’t want to abide by our way of life LEAVE ..its too bad our President doesn’t have the guts to say the same thing..no he catewrs to the ACLU cancles natl prayer day and caters to Muslims ..WHY ?? this is not a MUSLIM nation.. yet

November 8, 2011 at 4:40 pm
(11) jimbo says:

My sympathies for your confusion. The Christian faith never forces itself, it’s a choice between you and God, not religion or church. Only Islam is a forced religion. It began to grow only after Mohammed conquered his enemies, and forced them to accept Islam. How many Christian terrorists do you read about every day? Only Muslims use violence to intimidate and enslave others to Islam. Read the history of Christianity, and then Islam, then you can decide which one is violent and led by Satan,(Allah), not God. Mar God have mercy on you, ………………

August 24, 2011 at 1:40 pm
(12) Dee says:

If Obama was indeed a Muslim, God loves them also. If you could answer this question: What would a Muslim be doing in Jeremiah Wright’s church? The President is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t in the eyes of people that are unfair in their political or religious beliefs, or perhaps racially biased? Having been raised in the South, I know a lot of folks that don’t accept him as their President. It’s sad.

April 15, 2010 at 1:16 pm
(13) Trish says:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/06/obama.prayer/index.html

Check your sources – since you say the examiner is crap – they took it from CNN…
He, in fact, is toning down the day. He is signing a proclamation, but is not holding the normal celebration at the White House. You cannot classify this as false.

April 15, 2010 at 1:18 pm
(14) Tim says:

Examiner.com is a site where anyone can post an article. It’s not really a great source for accurate news.

David, that quote that is attributed to the white house is so obviously made up. Yeah, I’m sure they will use the phrase “other people”. LOL. Keep up the good work. I just saw someone spreading this urban legend on facebook and asking others to do the same. Ridiculous.

April 15, 2010 at 1:29 pm
(15) David Emery says:

Trish,

Seems to be you who needs to check your sources. The CNN story referenced by the Examiner.com writer is from last year. No official announcement has yet been made about 2010.

More importantly, the claim that Obama said he canceled the event so as “not to offend anyone” is made up. It didn’t come from the CNN article. It didn’t come from any legitimate news source.

EDITED TO ADD: I just checked the Examiner.com article again, and it has been revised to note that the CNN article was published in 2009, and to remove the false statement that Obama said he canceled the celebration because he didn’t want to offend anyone. It still says, however, that a White House celebration will not take place in 2010. While that will likely prove true, it isn’t based on any official announcement I’ve been able to find.

April 15, 2010 at 1:58 pm
(16) El No -L says:

Semantics – the White House observation has been cancelled, same as last year. The National Day Of Prayer ceremony, however, is held in the Cannon building, caucus room. This is the “main” observation and it will still take place in 2010.
To cancel this would require a congressional act.

April 15, 2010 at 2:19 pm
(17) Melissa says:

If it’s a “National Day of Prayer”, how could anyone be offended? It doesn’t say it’s a “National Day of Christian Prayer”. I wish people would cast a critical eye over things before they go hopping down someone’s throat. (And, I wish that whether they like him as President, or not, people would cut Obama some slack.) Thanks for posting this article. I saw the big hue and cry on facebook and came looking for verification/disclamation because it just seemed fishy.

April 15, 2010 at 2:44 pm
(18) Standingfor Justice says:

Who said Obama is a Muslim? He is a Christian, and if I were him I’d be offended at people calling him anything else. If my name is “Jesus Rodriguez,” but I am a Buddhist, does that mean that I am not really Buddhist but Christian?? Personally, I am pretty sure that the Founding Fathers would be sad to see people making all these remarks without really having any backing to their claims.
I happen to be Christian, and I’d personally be offended if people constantly accused me of not being a Christian. Still, I believe that everyone has the right to choose his or her own religion. They also have the right not to be challenged about their beliefs!
Back to the issue at hand, Obama did not cancel the Day or Prayer. I’m pretty sure that prayer is a pretty big component of most mainstream religious practices. It is not just a Christian rite. People need to stop trashing Obama just because they are insecure about having an African American President. Ugh! Find something worthwhile to attack. That train has already left the station!

April 15, 2010 at 2:50 pm
(19) C. U. Farley says:

Matthew 6:5-6

April 15, 2010 at 3:12 pm
(20) Katie says:

Obama is a lot of things but a Christian HE IS NOT. Christians are people who follow the Christ, Jesus Christ. Jesus is not pro- abortion. The shedding of innocent blood is an abomination to Jesus. Obama doesn’t seem to have a problem with a fetus being ripped to pieces in order to end a pregnancy. Obama referred to his Muslim faith in an interview…(before he was elected) true, it was a slip of the tongue, but it is the only true thing I have ever heard him say.

November 3, 2010 at 3:17 pm
(21) sixwheeler says:

If republicans are so right to life why
Let the ban on assault rifles go by the wayside. Just look at the Mexican border.

April 15, 2010 at 3:17 pm
(22) David says:

Why won’t Obama attend?/

April 15, 2010 at 3:20 pm
(23) LaTisha says:

@Standingfor Justice: WELL SAID MY FRIEND! I don’t have one single thing to add to what you have said, you covered it all :)

@David Emery: Thanks for publishing this article. It gives strength to those of us who actually RESEARCH things before we “parrot” the rumors that anti-Obama Americans make up to undermine our President. I didn’t agree with one single thing that former President GW Bush did during his 8yrs, but I never promoted death threats against him, called him “not my President,” or supported false truths about him like what people are doing to Obama….and Bush is responsible for thousands of deaths being lost in Iraq OVER NOTHING!!! Obama’s only crime is inheriting the largest recession we’ve seen in 70 years from GW Bush, and (the biggest crime of all) being a Black man. The wounds of racism run deeply in America…not to change anytime soon :( Thanks again for standing for truth!

April 15, 2010 at 3:32 pm
(24) Resqr says:

President O’Bama has decided that there will no long be a National Day of Prayer ecumentical service at the White House.

April 15, 2010 at 3:34 pm
(25) David says:

But Obama has spent more money than Bush ever thought of spendingt

February 15, 2011 at 11:18 am
(26) asdf says:

*caugh… iraq war….. caugh*

April 15, 2010 at 3:50 pm
(27) LaTisha says:

@David: In order to come out of a recession, it is necessary to spend money. If you research how FDR got America out of the Great Depression years ago, it took spending money to do it. Keep in mind though, it takes spending money IN THE RIGHT PLACES. First off, you are incorrect because GW Bush spent SIGNIFICANTLY more money than Obama…the Iraq war itself cost billions to trillions of dollars. But that money wasn’t spent toward the betterment of the American people. Obama’s spending puts the money in the hands of the American people, where it belongs. Not the government hands. Not overseas hands. Not the wealthy hands. In fact, in the hands of the middle class / working class American. Keep in mind, people also challenged FDR’s methods of spending and called his programs to repair the economy “unconstitutional” the same as Obama’s health care plan is being called today. Those who opposed FDR would be ashamed now to know that they offered only resistance to the most brilliant economic reform in the history of this country. I say to America, in years to come, if you are a vocal opposer to Obama’s plans….will you be proud to stand by your comments and actions???? Something to think about.

April 15, 2010 at 3:59 pm
(28) Brian says:

@LaTisha. You are extremely mis-informed and uneducated in economics. Try your spew somewhere else.

April 15, 2010 at 4:04 pm
(29) LaTisha says:

@Brian: YOU are extremely misinformed and therefore dangerous. I suggest you take an ACCURATE history lesson and maybe brush up on YOUR economics. Those who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it. Just sayin.

April 15, 2010 at 4:22 pm
(30) Brian says:

@LeTisha. It was the WAR that got FDR out of the recession. To get out of a recession YOU CUT TAXES, not raise them.

Do you have ANY idea why THE WORLD went to war with Iraq?

“But that money wasn’t spent toward the betterment of the American people.” You should be ashamed. You slapped the face of every military serviceperson and their families.

April 15, 2010 at 4:26 pm
(31) Angie says:

This is all so beautifully irrelevant! A Wisconsin judge just found in favor of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and has declared the National Day of Prayer unconstitutional!! Finally! Finally! YAY!

April 15, 2010 at 4:58 pm
(32) LaTisha says:

@Brian: You are wrong about so many things it amazes me, but I’ll do my best to keep it brief & address the basics. It is a known fact that America had no business in Iraq. We went there under the guise of retribution for September 11th, but if you do your research (and/or talk to any military serviceman/woman who served), you will find that Iraq had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Sept 11th and America’s occupation of Iraq was morally wrong…it was only about filling Bush’s pockets with money. That’s all. Nothing else. Do your research ACCURATELY.

And it was NOT the war that got us out of the Great Depression. FDR would be ashamed to know that America’s history would be told in such an inaccurate way by someone who calls himself American. You’re wrong on so many levels that it’s WAYYYYYY too much for me to type. I suggest you take it upon yourself to research FDR, his programs, the programs STILL in effect today, and how he managed to bring this country back to life. Unless you’re one of those who is happy not knowing, they do say that “ignorance is bliss.” :)

The point is that Barack Obama is our president. Like it or not. All of these other sidebar conversations are neither here nor there when it comes to the fact that he is our president. He has done more positive things for the American people in a little over a year as President than GW Bush did in 8 years. Pres Obama will spend his entire time as President attempting to undo the MESS that Bush left this country in. I support him in his efforts to do so. Those who do NOT support him based off of misinformation and/or straight up LIES need to check themselves. Racism is a mental illness, and when someone doesn’t support our President based off of something THEY KNOW is untrue, it makes you one of the ill. It does not do anything positive for the country. Period. To my friend Brian, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER….empower yourself.

April 15, 2010 at 5:29 pm
(33) Janet says:

@ LaTisha…..LOLOLOL!! Talk about bloviating!

April 15, 2010 at 5:37 pm
(34) Ted says:

This country was not, in any way, founded on Christianity. We should not have a government-observed “day of prayer” at all, since religion should NOT, in ANY WAY, be mixed with our government.

You idiots crying out foul are ignorant.

April 15, 2010 at 6:06 pm
(35) LaTisha says:

@Janet: A difference in opinion is no reason to be insulting. I was raised to respect those who respect me, and to savor in the many different points of view that can be expressed in a conversation. Once Brian told me to “spew” my opinion elsewhere, I handled him accordingly. Since I never disrespected you, it is your insult and lack of respect that I find bloviating. This sort of closed-mindedness is what holds America back! It is possible to disagree and still be respectful, I see good ol’ politeness is a lost art.

April 15, 2010 at 6:15 pm
(36) Cece says:

@LaTisha- You are VERY misinformed! Brian is correct it was World War 2 that got us out of the Depression. Keynesian economics have NEVER worked to get a country out of a recession/depression. Just look at the poor state that most of Europe is in today. There are plenty of books that can educate you: Amity Shales The Forgotten Man is a great read.

September 6, 2010 at 8:09 am
(37) Gene says:

Cece, it is of no use trying to tell someone like Latisha about why this why that because like sheep headed for slaughter she I think would follow right along believing anything Obama does can’t be of no wrong. When the door closes and the gas is turned on then the awake up call will then be realized. Does Latisha even know how many white folks voted for change?….hmmmmm….there is no racism in this debate. Obama had a prayer day with Muslim’s his feet are still stinking from that day! I don’t think that it will be too long before the nation will be notified of this man’s past and there will be lots of people saying I can’t beleive he was all that……

July 4, 2011 at 10:46 am
(38) Robert says:

The propaganda and the people who believe it on this site is overwhelming. I won’t state any of my opinions but give you guys a little homework.
@CeCe..where do you get your info on Keynesian Ec? Look up the unemployment rates of The Netherlands, Switzerland, Norway, Germany, Austria, Luxembourg. Which economics do you think brought us out of the Great Depression since by GDP measurement we’ve BEEN out?
@Brian…The New Deal vs. the war is still debatable…and about cutting taxes…the only thing that has done is create a deficit. Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton rival each other for the lowest unemployment rate recorded; however, Reagan’s debt was the record at the time….Clinton had a balanced budget and took the debt from almost 400 billion to 18. How did he do this?? Why he raised taxes to 38 percent with his Democratic Congress. Then after midterms he negotiated on spending cuts with his Republican Congress. OH..and then Bush Jr. came along and lowered them again….ooohhh…bad mistake….more debt and deregulated capitalsim….shame shame…RECESSION.
People….you can find all these statistics easily online if you look. Please try using statistical evidence to educate yourself…not just what you hear everyone saying geezz

April 15, 2010 at 6:20 pm
(39) Beth says:

Well said Brian. I see you gave up. I don’t blame you. Sadly, some people refuse to see or hear the truth, most of whom have been indoctrinated by the Left since elementary school.

April 15, 2010 at 6:41 pm
(40) Dan says:

“Jesus is not pro- abortion.” Katie, Jesus died around 2000 years ago, I really don’t think he has a stance on a relatively new procedure. On topic though, I consider this a victory for secularism. Separation of church and state is important for any successful nation.

April 15, 2010 at 6:49 pm
(41) Brian says:

@LaTisha. First you belittle our incredible military…and then you call me a racist. Your knowledge and education are blinding.

@Ted. There are DOZENS of factual references that this country IS founded on Christianity.

I’m done.

April 15, 2010 at 6:59 pm
(42) Carolyn says:

@Latisha– YOU GO GIRL.

April 15, 2010 at 7:02 pm
(43) Steven says:

Beth, please explain to me the Left -v- Moderate -v- Right. Is this like “The Good, The Bad and, The Ugly”?

April 15, 2010 at 7:05 pm
(44) Karen says:

Obama is a lot of things but a Christian HE IS NOT. Christians are people who follow the Christ, Jesus Christ. Jesus is not pro- abortion. The shedding of innocent blood is an abomination to Jesus. Obama doesn’t seem to have a problem with a fetus being ripped to pieces in order to end a pregnancy. Obama referred to his Muslim faith in an interview…(before he was elected) true, it was a slip of the tongue, but it is the only true thing I have ever heard him say.

hahahahahahahahahaha…katie you are a funny person….how do you know Christ did not believe in abortion? oh, wait, youre one of those that believe the Bible is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth but never really read it for yourself. You all depend on the crazy Christians (not the humble Christians) to tell you what the book says and they are wrong lots of times. There is more than one way to get to Heaven, after all Christ wasn’t a Christian either!

September 19, 2010 at 5:05 am
(45) clintonius says:

“Obama is a lot of things but a Christian HE IS NOT.”

Karen, apparently anybody who doesn’t agree with your definition of Christianity is NOT a Christian. I can do the same thing and say that you’re attitude and behavior is not Christ-like, therefore you are not a Christian. Or, if you are a Christian, I don’t want to be one. But let’s say you are a Christian, your testimony and Christ-like humility needs a lot of work. I recommend reading the Beatitudes. Here’s hoping someday you’ll display the same Christian love to those you disagree with as you do for yourself.

April 15, 2010 at 7:09 pm
(46) Jo says:

@Katie: Abortion is not a religious issue but rather a moral one. I say this as an agnostic antiabortionist. I’m sure that many people who label themselves Christians are not pro-life. I’m equally sure that many Muslims are pro-life.
@C.U. Farley: Amen

April 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm
(47) Michele says:

Obama is a good man. So stop trying to say things that aren’t true HATERS!!!!!!

April 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm
(48) Sam says:

It’s irritating that any time someone disagrees with anything Obama says they are automatically called “racist.” LaTisha, how do you know Brian isn’t African American? And what happened to “It is possible to disagree and still be respectful”?

Also, your ignorance combined with your overuse of cliches is annoying.

April 15, 2010 at 7:59 pm
(49) Robert says:

Hey Right Wingers. Quit spreading ANGRY lies and rumors. The more you guys do this, the closer you guys are to becoming those Radical Muslims out in the Middle East. Sometimes, it’s as if you’re trying to COPY them. Quit it.

April 15, 2010 at 8:02 pm
(50) Michelle says:

@ Katie
You kill one of your children the next time they talk back to you, you’ll be a good bible following Christian.
You stay in bed and away from the public for the entire duration of your menstruation and you’ll be a good bible following Christian.

Maybe you’re following one of Christ’s greatest teachings in
“Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you,” Jesus said, “do ye even so to them…” (Matt. 7: 12)
So maybe you want people to insult and ridicule you. Good to know. Your kingdom is surely in Heaven and I’m betting it has a “For Sale due to lack of understanding” sign on the front.

You’re not a Christian, you’re hypocrite.

As for the rest of you, “Doh, doh, doh…he’s a muslim…he’s not American. I watch Nascar and vote Republican!” I’m so done with all of you. Fact is, he is our President. Democrats have the majority and the only reason for that IS because you elected the biggest idiot in your party to come and screw up the country.

Don’t like it? Don’t pick a mouth breather for President next time.

April 15, 2010 at 8:23 pm
(51) Gerard says:

church | – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – | State

wow, that feels better.

On another note, how about Christians discuss the molestation of children, and not so much Obama. If anyone should be put to scrutiny, it should be the Pope.

April 15, 2010 at 8:35 pm
(52) Cmccarty82 says:

Well, I am not an anti-Obama American, but I will say that I have not agreed with anything that he has done yet. That doesn’t make me anti-Obama, it makes me in disagreement with him, that’s it. Secondly, if you carefully look into some of the actions taken by Obama, you can see a clear line being drawn between Christianity and all other religions. Especially muslim. I am not calling Obama a Muslim, I’m simply looking at the facts before me. Something isn’t exactly right with him and his choices but I can’t quite say what. Am I disgruntled with him and his decisions? Absolutely. Can I say with 100% certainty that Obama is a Muslim? No I can’t. But if something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you can only call it a chicken for so long. Eventually the obvious is gonna be accepted as truth.

April 15, 2010 at 8:35 pm
(53) billy says:

@latisha, umm nowhere above does anyone say obama is wrong because he is black. try another avenue to defend our president. no president has been perfect. oh, and FYI, it was WAR that brought our country out of the depression. wanna know why or how????? the surplus of military war essentials increased production on all levels here in AMERICA, before we outsourced our factories to china and other countries. this decimated the unemployment at the time on all levels. the “war” today in iraq is wrong on all levels. i served after 9/11 and can tell you first hand that not one service member agrees with why we are there.
to the pressing matter at hand, this country, AMERICA, was founded on christian morals of right and wrong. the evolution of religion and society has always dictated laws in every country out there.
and whoever said christains aren’t pro life and muslims are, you have lost your mind and need to be shot. better yet, how about you go over there, and witness a young boy or girl, unknowingly have a bomb strapped to their person, and their father telling them to go ask that AMERICAN, most likely, CHRISTIAN, soldier and ask for candy. and as soon as that child walks up to the soldier, the father remotely triggers the bomb. sacrificing an innocent child’s life for their own cause and rather than give their own life. you tell me how that is pro-life?
the AMERICAN people have been led to believe almost anything they hear or read in the news. the generations before just went with it and believed whatever they were told, why? because it was on t.v., or radio, or in the paper. Three corporations own almost all the media in the world. not hard to control what wee see and hear now is it? now im going off topic i apologize.
@latisha, you yourself, are a racist, and juvenile for not seeing our country has done well to wipe out most racism. yes it still exists here and there but it’s not b/c obama is black people are protesting him, i’m sorry, african american. i have many black friends and i dont care for politically correct terms. i’m past that and so are my friends. It’s not even the people who voted him into office. our votes do not count, it’s the electoral college’s determination. i had an open mind to obama and hoped, still have hope, that he will do great things and make an everlasting positive mark on this world. but our government is not about the people anymore. it’s about power and money. it will take a massive uprising from US, the AMERICAN people protesting what our government has become and demand reform.
By not allowing a service at the white house during prayer day, yet allowing muslims to practice and pray at the white house is absurd. that is a slap to the face for every christian in american and across the world. muslims have been at war, hacking each other to bits for thousands of years and until someone impedes and establishes a modern government and society they will continue to. they say they fight for Ala, was it Ala that told them to strap that bomb to their child, or walk into an embacy and kill innocents who have never harmed anyone in their life?????
@latisha, your close mindedness and playing the racism card offend me. especially the racism card. quoting you “check yourself”. <—– = uneducated -

April 15, 2010 at 8:42 pm
(54) Cmccarty82 says:

@Michelle, it amazes me when people who are not really all that knowledgeable of the Bible attempt to use it to prove a point. If you were to research your Bible and really study it, you would find that your use of a parents reaction to their child talking back is completely ludicrous. Christ Jesus did a lot to amend several things that were law in the old testament times. Study it before you start quoting it.

Next, I have one question for all you who have been completely blinded by Obama. Can you explain to me why he and his lawyers are making it impossible to gain public access to something as simple as a birth certificate? My question is, if everything is kosher, then why pitch a fit about the public wanting to ensure that their highest elected official is, in fact, eligible to hold that position. For instance, if an employer requests verification of paperwork from a Hispanic employee, that employee has no option but to provide it or lose his job. He is FORCED to prove that he is eligible to work in this country. Why should Obama be any different?

April 15, 2010 at 8:53 pm
(55) Eric says:

The Muslim “Day of Prayer” was neither sanctioned nor official. It was held on public grounds and anyone can do the same thing they did, so that’s irrelevant. If people want to have a National Day of Prayer event on the Capitol grounds, they could and no one would stop them since that was the original intent of the proclamation that Truman signed. Personally, I’ve always thought it needed to be a thing “of the people” anyway and not something “official” for the same reasons Obama cited for not having an event “at the White House” this year.

The fact of the matter is, it’s only been an “official White House function” since the Bush Sr. era. Before that it was just a day set aside for prayer, proclaimed by Truman and amended by Reagan to be the first Thursday in May. Daddy Bush was the only President to ever had official “Day of Prayer functions at the White House, anyway. Clinton never did and no one said a word about it, that I recall, and Dubya and Reagan only had special events for the Day of Prayer once each while they were in office.

April 15, 2010 at 9:01 pm
(56) John says:

There were so many things said here that just incorrect, false and outright lies I don’t even know where to start. The biggest problem is there is not genuine discussion here but insults and personal attacks. You can not separate Morals from Religion as all morals are based on the 10 Commandments and one side seems to violating all of them. I hope we can find our way back to the country our Founding Fathers gave us.

April 15, 2010 at 9:08 pm
(57) LaTisha says:

@Brian: Thank God you’re done, I was hoping you’d say that hours before :)

@Cece: I’m afraid you are misinformed also. It’s amazing how history can be incorrectly rewritten in the minds of some. I guess in years to come, some will say it was GW Bush who got America out of its recession. Amazing. I’ll leave it at that

@Sam: Brian may be Black, did I ever say he wasn’t? Better yet, how do you know I’m not white? :) I hope you aren’t one of those naive people who aren’t aware that Black people in this country have been brainwashed since 1619 to believe that they are inferior to Whites; so if he is Black and has ideas similar to a white racist, that’s not so far-fetched. As far as respecting others’ opinions, I always do. If you read, Brian insulted me first. When I’m attacked for no reason by someone who is obviously misinformed, I respond accordingly.

@Jo and Gerard: Great points each of you brought to the table!

@(line#33)Michele: I agree. Whether someone voted for him or not, he IS our president. I think he’s doing the best he can in an awful situation. I wish him continued wisdom and protection.

Isn’t it great we live in a country where so many different opinions can be heard at once? I think so :)

April 15, 2010 at 9:20 pm
(58) Beth says:

Seriously? I am fairly sure that I do not need to define that. In case I am wrong, I meant “liberals/progressives”.

April 15, 2010 at 9:24 pm
(59) Warren says:

If Obama cancelled the day of prayer, he’s too late. A fellow by the name of Jesus Christ already did it 2000 years ago.

Matthew 6:5-6 (New International Version)

Prayer
5″And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

April 15, 2010 at 9:31 pm
(60) LaTisha says:

@billy: If you think America has eradicated racism you are sadly mistaken. But, in your defense, it takes more than having “friends” who are Black in order to know that. Research race-related murders in America in the last….um, 4 or 5 years is a good place to start. After that, go ahead and look at the past 10, 20 years. The numbers are ASTOUNDING. Saying racism is basically eradicated is a huge disrespect to those who are losing their lives every day to it. It affects all aspects of our country so it’s important to be aware.

The military war production was only ONE aspect of how FDR brought us out of the Great Depression. Don’t be fooled, that wasn’t the entirety of what saved us by any means.

As far as the “race card” you’re speaking of, most people who aren’t racist aren’t “offended” (as you put it) discussing race relations. So what are you saying about yourself???? Read the last 3 lines of what said on comment #9, then you’ll see how race and the initial conversation relate. So (to quote myself) “CHECK YOURSELF!” Tootles!

April 15, 2010 at 9:58 pm
(61) Cmccarty82 says:

@Latisha If you wanna be complete in your research, look at the murders over the last year that have nothing to do with race but are entirely related to money, drugs, gang issues….etc. I will agree that racism is not completely eradicated. It exists in full force on BOTH sides of the color spectrum. I am multiracial. My mother is white and my father is black. I have the privilege of experiencing it from both sides. I have seen and heard things just as frequently from one as I have the other. What’s the old saying? You who have no sin cast the first stone?

April 15, 2010 at 10:03 pm
(62) Travis says:

I lost count of how many references were made to this country being “founded on Christian morals and principles…” This is an interesting assertion? I was under the impression that this country was made possible by a legacy which included the murder and brutalization of hundreds of thousands of native americans and the enslavement of countless people of African ancestry? Christianity or more specifically, HUMANITY, had nothing to do with how this country was founded. Christianity was merely an excuse used during the colonial period to exploit other human beings and obtain resources, and the colonization of the Americas was a BRILLIANT example of that strategy. As a Christian, I find any association of Christianity with the political practices of this country, past or present, completely offensive. Stay Blessed.

April 15, 2010 at 10:31 pm
(63) LaTisha says:

@Cmccarty82: Since we were speaking about race, I would urge Billy to stay looking at the numbers of people who were direct victims of racially motivated hate crimes and/or racially motivated police brutality. Also, PREJUDICE does occur on all sides of the racial rainbow spectrum, however RACISM is only possible by those who are in the majority and have the “power”…..and that is by whites only. Racism is achieved when a particular group has an organized system in place that keeps another group in a position of inferiority. Although Blacks have been in this country for almost 400 years, we have yet to have an organized system in place that limits the lives of all White Americans….therefore Black Americans are unable to be racist until that happens. Can Blacks be prejudiced? Yes. Bigoted? Yes. Hateful toward Whites? Yes. Angry toward Whites? Yes. Violent toward Whites? Yes. But racist? No.

@Travis: Well said!

April 15, 2010 at 10:41 pm
(64) LaTisha says:

@Cmccarty82: and by the way, I DO NOT PROMOTE in any way Blacks creating a system of racism in this country, from what I wrote it can be inferred that that is what I’m saying! I would love the day when America will stop looking at color as a litmus test for how far you will be able to go toward the so-called American Dream. I don’t wish for a color blind world because that is the same as saying we shouldn’t see the many beautiful colors that God created the human race to be. What I do wish for is a world when we see each other’s color and love & respect our differences. Thanks for sharing your experience!

April 15, 2010 at 10:50 pm
(65) Stephanie says:

To those of you that believe such non-sense…find the light switch and turn it on…..LOL Obama is a good man leave him be….REAL CHRISTAINS DO NOT PASS JUDGEMENT! And to the abortion jerks….I hope that your daughter is never rapped, I hope that she never has to choose between her life and her babies, I hope that incest is not a factor and that all her babies are healthy…But the TRUTH is this is not a perfect world and sometimes people have to make hard choices…GET OVER IT!

April 15, 2010 at 11:06 pm
(66) Connie G. says:

David, thanks so much for posting the truth about this!

April 15, 2010 at 11:10 pm
(67) Mr Right says:

I guess we don’t have to celebrate “Racist Day” either than..MLK day…face it, he was not a political figure, not a war hero, not a equal rights activist and he don’t deserve a national holliday

April 15, 2010 at 11:26 pm
(68) LaTisha says:

Mr Right, you don’t see Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King as an equal rights activist? Interesting….

April 15, 2010 at 11:43 pm
(69) Phala says:

@Mr.Right, how could you be oh soo wrong…smh.

@ LaTisha, I agree “Ignorance is Bliss” and even though you have been respectful, until you Rightfully defended yourself, it’s a no win situation. Especially when you are dealing with closed minded people.

@ EVERYONE……how did we get so off topic. Fact: OUR President Obama did NOT cancel the National Day of Prayer…..and who said that the National Day of Prayer is only for Chrisstians??

April 15, 2010 at 11:57 pm
(70) Deb says:

Isn’t it enlightening that the point of this column (thread) was to discuss the idea that Obama had canceled the national day of prayer. It has been shown that, in fact, he did not. In fact he himself is the “target” of the lawsuit that was filed in Wisconsin. Based on what I have read… he plans to appeal the ruling that says it is unconstitutional. Bravo!

And guess what I didn’t vote for him and I won’t vote for him in 2012. Still I have the intelligence to look at the information and discern what is true and what is just people spewing their preconceived opinions into every topic.

I think we need to get back onto the topic of a national day of prayer and whether there is merit of doing away with it… I don’t find any merit in banning it but then again… shouldn’t those of us who feel compelled to pray be doing it daily anyway? Those who don’t feel compelled to pray aren’t going to do it just because the government says “Hey… it’s the national day of prayer”.

Thank goodness we live in a country where the government can say it’s a national day for “whatever” and we, as citizens can choose to participate or choose not to!

April 16, 2010 at 12:10 am
(71) deb says:

The predominant definition of racism does not indicate that it can only be utilized by the majority. While historically it is true that the “race” that makes up the majority has had the most success (what a horrible thought) using racism to keep other races from succeeding it isn’t what is happening today (in many places).

Any attitude, action or institutional structure, or cultural bias which systematically treats an individual or group of individuals differently because of their race.

It happens both ways!

April 16, 2010 at 12:20 am
(72) Rich-in-MD says:

Mr. Right, please feel free to work on MLK Day if accepting the day off offends your tender sensibilities. We won’t mind.

There’s a lot of good debate here on all sides… but some things posted just seem ridiculous to me. However, before all that, I’d like to quote what I think is the best thing ever to come out of Pres. G. W. Bush’s mouth (though I may be paraphrasing slightly)… He said “Republicans want what’s best for this country… and so do Democrats.” Nothing wrong with spirited and strong disagreements, but please all get a grip. Neither any conservatives nor any liberals I know are interested in undermining or destroying this country or the way of life it provides. I certainly like living here, Socialist Muslim-appeasing bastard that I am, and I’m going to guess that this is true of most everyone reading this board. Maybe we could remember that, though we may think others wildly wrong or even somewhat warped, at least we’re all trying to do what’s best, and we all really like being here and being a part of a place where we can say (well, write) whatever assinine stuff we want and have it all be ok (if the underground liberal governmental gestapo has badgered any of you, please accept my apologies).

This stuff about Obama’s religious leanings really is nonsensical. I think it’s obvious that he’s a Christian personally on some level, as I am, but I really don’t care if he’s a Muslim or Jewish or if he believes that God actually made armadillos in His image and not humans… so long as his policies don’t prevent anyone else the access to the same array of belief systems and the freedom to practice them in turn without harassment (so long as they in turn do the same).

Y’know, we’re a bit farther along in Obama’s presidency than we were into George W. Bush’s when radical self-described Muslims attacked us. If you believe Pres43 was a devout Christian who only wanted to forward this great Christian nation and protect its Christian people, but Pres44 is a closet Muslim terrorist out to do nothing but destroy it… so far, I’d say both did a terrible job if that were in fact their goals. The attention paid to and analyses made of whatever subtle signs Obama might display that might demonstrate his personal faith disposition, or might not, are purely speculative and serve to motivate the ‘haters’ to hate more and his ‘worshippers’ to love more. Meanwhile, all kinds of crap flies around the country and the world that requires serious action and attention… while we parse 3-year-old interviews for ‘proof’ of some nonsense or another.

[For the record, Obama did say roughly "when they discuss... my Muslim faith..." and it was NOT a slip of the tongue, but it was taken radically out of context. He was describing when those who steadfastly believed him to be a Muslim would discuss his "Muslim faith" - it's obvious if you watch the minute preceding the sound byte. It seemed like it might be a slip because the interviewer (Chris Matthews maybe?) interrupted him and interjected "you mean your Christian faith" believing he'd made a mistake when in fact he hadn't.]

The economic arguments, when not intentionally made with teabag-motivating buzzwords like “Socialist” or whatever, are a little harder to discuss concretely because, truth be told, there’s more than one way to manage (or not) and economy and of course the considerations as to what to implement in practice are, appropriately, not based PURELY on what makes economic statistics look best; the values/principles one has about what is government’s proper role are fine and understandable, and needn’t solely consider what makes the numbers look better but additionally what principles one might want the government to follow for larger reasons. If you believe that government simply shouldn’t be in the business of intentionally affecting the economy for libertarian-type reasons, that’s fine, but realize that the efficacy of pure Keynsian-based economic policy is indisputable. The problem comes when the economy picks up and, per the late John Maynard, government is supposed to scale back and catch up fiscally. Governments are not want to do that, partially out of human nature, but implementations during recessions that deficit spend in the direction of infrastructure, contracted tasks, and other self-limiting directions are the best ways to make as sure as possible that new bureaucracies aren’t created that live on well past their need.

If youse “Keynsian? Bah! Pure and obvious hogwash” types don’t believe me… the fact is your own argument, presented above twice, defeats your point. Specifically, that FDR’s government spending spree didn’t help pull America out of the Great Depression (not true, but that’s for another time). It was actually World War 2 that pulled us out.

This is fascinating. What aspect of a huge war effort, pray tell, do you think would have led to an economic boom? Even if the public were in a position to spend wildly and lavishly… rationing wouldn’t let them! And exactly who was buying all those pieces of military equipment suddenly being manufactured by a majority of our active economy? Mom and Pop EveryDayAmerican with all the spare cash they had because of those famous wartime tax cuts? The answer is obvious and the point, even if true, undercuts your argument against it.

Now, there may be plenty of legitimate reasons that we don’t want government too heavily involved… but to say that government spending doesn’t lend a boost to the economy is ridiculous.

Go ahead – hit me with your best shot! Just please realize we all want things in America to go from ‘at least we’re free’ to ‘free and prosperous’ to ‘free and loving life’ even if we see different ways of doing it.

April 16, 2010 at 12:22 am
(73) LaTisha says:

@deb: No, in fact racism doesn’t happen both ways. By the definition you quoted, it is an “action or institutional structure” which “systematically” limits people due to their race. Like I mentioned before, Black Americans do not have an organized system in place to hold back White Americans and therefore by definition cannot be racists. It doesn’t mean they don’t discriminate or have preconceived stereotypes about certain groups, but Blacks in this country do not have the “power” it takes to be a racist by definition. What I previously said was this:

“Racism is achieved when a particular group has an organized system in place that keeps another group in a position of inferiority. Although Blacks have been in this country for almost 400 years, we have yet to have an organized system in place that limits the lives of all White Americans….therefore Black Americans are unable to be racist until that happens. Can Blacks be prejudiced? Yes. Bigoted? Yes. Hateful toward Whites? Yes. Angry toward Whites? Yes. Violent toward Whites? Yes. But racist? No.”

The difference of a person being prejudiced vs. racist can be a confusing discussion, I hope my explanation makes sense! :)

April 16, 2010 at 12:23 am
(74) deb says:

I like what you have to say Rich-in-MD! Well said, very thoughtful!

April 16, 2010 at 12:27 am
(75) deb says:

You obviously don’t live where I do.. because where I live both Blacks and Whites have the organized institutional means (and both use it) to prevent members of the other races (Latino’s, India Indians, AND each other etc) from being able to make headway into certain jobs, socio-economic levels.
To think that Blacks don’t also practice racism is like hiding your head in the sand. ALL races do it, not in all situations, but all do it!

April 16, 2010 at 12:37 am
(76) LaTisha says:

@Rich-in-MD: I have NO shots to hit you with! That was well said and I agree with your stance on all that has been said so far. I am glad you addressed Obama’s alleged “slip of the tongue” that he is a Muslim, I chose not to go there and explain but I’m ecstatic that you did.

As far as the origination of this thread, I think it’s fair to say that this rumor is false. The intentions of the birth of this rumor? Who knows. Some of us are too smart to fall for EVERYTHING we hear in the not-so-reputable media. Even if he had banned it, I agree with Deb when she said: “Thank goodness we live in a country where the government can say it’s a national day for “whatever” and we, as citizens can choose to participate or choose not to!” AMEN!

April 16, 2010 at 12:39 am
(77) deb says:

oh and my definition says an attitude, action, OR institutional structure. It gives many options!

LaTisha, I don’t condone racism on any side, however I do recognize that it happens. That’s all I was saying.

Unfortunately, in the past (and to an extent in SOME places) the white majority has been very good (again what a horrible thought) at practicing racism, not just towards blacks, but also toward ANY group “that isn’t like me”.

You are entitled to use whatever definition you wish to use to justify (provide evidence) your statement that blacks cannot be racist and perhaps where you live you are in fact correct. But please do not think that I am not capable of also being correct for the experiences that I have had, for the places that I have lived. The definition that I used wasn’t mine and it didn’t have any of my opinion associated with it.

I understand perfectly that your definition is based on your own experiences and that’s fine and good and the fact that it IS based on your own experiences makes it true and valid for you (and for many others) but it doesn’t necessarily hold for other people in other situations.

Please, consider that you’ve been telling a lot of people that they are wrong throughout this thread. Perhaps it might work better if you’d discuss points that you can share commonalities with rather than only discussing the points where you tell us where we’re wrong and you’re right! What’s the saying… you catch more flies with honey than vinegar???

April 16, 2010 at 12:41 am
(78) deb says:

Sorry LaTisha as I wrote my last comment you in fact did address some issues we could agree on… to that end I will take back my concerns about you not finding those issues! Sorry!

April 16, 2010 at 12:44 am
(79) Brian says:

LaTisha has been schooled over and over again. She has no ‘real life’ education only that from a college professor. That is where people who can’t cut it in the real world go. Maybe she’s a professor? Possibly. I guarantee she has never employed anyone or wrote a paycheck. Just like her Obama…no experience.

Go back to taking peoples money because there is no way the real world would let you create any. Your thinking is obsolete and your refund is in the mail.

April 16, 2010 at 12:47 am
(80) deb says:

Brian that was completely uncalled for!

April 16, 2010 at 1:00 am
(81) LaTisha says:

@Deb: I’m not interested in catching flies, I’m having a discussion! ;) It’s not important to be “right” as much as it is to be open to hearing differences of opinion when having a discussion. If that makes you uncomfortable, then topics that can turn into debates are clearly not for you. I think more people have told me I’m “wrong” than I have told others that I disagree with them. I have no problem if someone disagrees with me, it doesn’t undermine my self-esteem or opinion in any way. I guess I take for granted that others will have the same attitude if I disagree with them. Also, I would like to know what place it is you live where Blacks have the power you say they do. In order for them to be racists, the Blacks have to own more than just a couple of businesses here and there. If a place exists in America where Blacks hold majority political power, own all the prominent banks, are in ownership of all the major companies of employment, own all the prominent hotels, control all the farming and land regulations, obtain majority profits from gas/fuel companies, and control the educational system for the children….I’d love to pay a visit and do some research studies of my own there. I also know a few university psychology research study teams that would shift their interests there as well.

April 16, 2010 at 1:09 am
(82) Josh says:

Well, laissez faire economics hasn’t gotten us out of this recession either…so which economic theory works?

April 16, 2010 at 1:09 am
(83) LaTisha says:

@deb: I think we should allow Brian to say whatever makes him happy…..how else will we know what the ignorant side of America has to say? LOL

April 16, 2010 at 1:16 am
(84) Josh says:

Brian,

I am very offended by your comment. I have worked countless hours to put myself through school. I work 40 hours a week and still manage to go to school full time. This is the only way I can get a decent job to pay my bills and raise a family. So, since I have a college education does that make me useless? There are countless vaccinations and advances in medicine that help heal you when you are sick or injured. Since all those scientists have a college education, does that make them useless? Finally, I have applied to become an officer in the United States Navy to work on surface warfare ships and requires a bachelors degree. I’m going to be out on the open sea every day fighting for your freedoms, but since I have a college degree, does that make me useless? “Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education.”

April 16, 2010 at 1:27 am
(85) LaTisha says:

@Josh: Well said, but PLEEEEEEEEEEASE don’t feel like you have to justify your goals to pursue a formal education to someone like Brian. You should be proud of your achievements, just like those who accomplish their dreams and make a life for themselves without a formal education can be proud of theirs. Brian knows alot about nothing. He even tried to guess about who I am, when if he knew who I really was he would be really embarrassed! People like that don’t deserve an explanation for how you choose to live your life. Just my opinion. And good luck on becoming a Naval Officer! :)

April 16, 2010 at 1:34 am
(86) Josh says:

Thanks LaTisha! All I wanna do for this country is give, give, give. I don’t care if Obama, Bush, or even Palin is my Commander in Chief. I’m gonna follow them wherever they go! :)

April 16, 2010 at 1:37 am
(87) LaTisha says:

And America is lucky to have you on our side Josh! Many blessings to you and your family!

April 16, 2010 at 1:42 am
(88) deb says:

LaTisha… you just did it again!

YOU just made this statement
“If that makes you uncomfortable, then topics that can turn into debates are clearly not for you” which means you just judged me.

If you will please go back and reread my entire discourse. I am suggesting and willing to admit (no … I have admitted) that your argument is valid. That doesn’t even begin to suggest that I am not open to debate. I’m just asking you to be willing to consider that my opinion, as well might be valid.

If you want to limit the term racism to, as you say it ” an organized system in place that limits the lives of all White Americans….therefore Black Americans are unable to be racist until that happens” then I guess yes you are correct. Well, wait a minute… no you aren’t because the so called “organized system” that whites allegedly use hasn’t limited the lives of ALL black Americans either.

My biggest concern with your definition is that it is an all or none definition. There are varying levels of racism. You are definitely correct (see I am admitting it again) that whites have been guilty of a high level of racism that has definitely limited the ability of some (formerly MOST) black Americans. You are definitely correct.

However, by no sense of the terms does racism end there (unless you choose to limit the definition – as you have apparently chosen to do). I honestly do not know of international, national, or local entity (or human rights organization) that would limit the term racism to only situations where an entire racial community limits another racial community.

Racism is when a single person, or a group, or an institution, or a racial community…. systematically (which by definition means by choice and by conscious decision) TREATS others differently because of some preconceived notion that the “others” are actually different. If I go to Alaska and treat the Aleucians (by choice) differently than other Alaskan’s (even if I am powerless to actually affect their lives significantly)… I am being racist.

And, with respect to your last, I’ll call it a challenge. The community in which I currently live doesn’t offer the evidence that you are looking for. However the community next to where I live does. The city is pretty close to 45% white, 48 % black, and 7% hispanic and Indian (from India). For the last 20 years (which is how long I have lived here) the black community has in fact been the political power, numerous financial institutions are lead by black presidents, the university is a black institution (VERY few white professional (with PhDs) are EVER given an interview for positions) and just recently, on the local school board the black school board commissioners participated in somewhat of a coup to make sure that a certain individual was appointed as the new school superintendent. They went as far as not following the open records act. Anytime, anyone challenges the black political powers that be… if that person is white, they are immediately labeled a racist and because of it we’ve had some awesome individuals with a lot to offer not be given a chance (due to their race).

I’m not going to suggest that because they were white they were good, I say they were good because of the qualifications they had. To be honest, there have been a number of BLACK candidates who weren’t given a chance to be successful because they weren’t afraid to buck the “systematic” way that the black community treats members of the white or Hispanic community.

So is it prejudice or racism. The though process that causes racism is prejudice. The actions that are the result of that thought process exemplify racism. Maybe not to the level that you were suggesting, but it is racism.

Someone acted on their prejudice and or causes (through manipulation of others) others to act on their prejudices… you have racism!

April 16, 2010 at 2:04 am
(89) Bob says:

Nobody cares what any of you have to say.

April 16, 2010 at 2:12 am
(90) Rob says:

@ Karen
“There is more than one way to get to Heaven, after all Christ wasn’t a Christian either!”

That’s right … he wasn’t a Christian – he was God incarnate. The only way to heaven is through Christ – those are his own words.

April 16, 2010 at 2:16 am
(91) LaTisha says:

@Deb: Sorry, I don’t feel that me saying that if debates make you uncomfortable then maybe they aren’t for you means that I’m judging you. If you think that was what I was doing, then that’s unfortunate.

It may be a sad fact, but racism has indeed limited the lives of ALL Black Americans. There isn’t a single Black person in this country that doesn’t have at least one (if not many) experiences where they KNOW that if they were White, they would have experienced much MORE success than they were able to as a Black person. Even though we’re in 2010, this still is very true. It’s institutional. It’s very organized. It’s been in place for hundreds of years. It’s so bad that even the Black hair care products (that are produced by Black owned companies) are separated from the White hair care products…..and usually they are found wayyyyyyyyy in the back of the store on the shelf. Unless it’s a White owned company making a Black hair care product (like the Pantene products made for ethnic hair), then they can be found with the White products on an easily accessible shelf. That’s how deep racism goes. Unfortunately, racism is as American as apple pie. Black people know what it’s like to live in a White world because they do it every day, but Whites would be horrified to live in the skin of a Black person even for one day.

You still didn’t tell me the name of these cities you’re speaking of! I truly am interested (from a sociological standpoint) to know where this is and spread the word. I still don’t agree that the Blacks there have the ability to be racist (being the President of a bank like Bank of America and actually OWNING Bank of America are two vastly different things…there are no major banks in this country OWNED by Blacks). The example of you treating Alaskans differently is only considered racism if the group you belong to (your race) is in a position of power in this country. If not, you would simply be prejudiced NOT racist. In order for it to be racism, it has to affect a group of people on an organized level. I mentioned earlier that this is a complicated topic, and I’m sure we won’t come to an agreement about what is racist and what isn’t here on the computer…..and I’m okay with that! We do both agree that the parent of racism is prejudice, so if we eradicate prejudicial thoughts, stereotypes, jokes, etc. then we’re on our way to eliminating racism altogether.

Please share with me the city and state you’re speaking of, I’m anxious to find out and research for myself! Thanks

April 16, 2010 at 2:40 am
(92) Melynda says:

I felt like something wasn’t right when a friend of mine posted this on her facebook page. I commented her status and told her that it was a lie, that I had researched it, included some links, and told her she should take down the lie so it would not spread. She refuses to take it down still after the facts are in her face. Her only responce was, ‘but he let muslims pray at the whitehous’ UH! I personally don’t care who prays at the whitehouse and don’t know why anyone would be offended by it. Sure, most people in the US are Christians, but non-christians are not our enemies and no one should be outraged even if something like this did happen. Some people don’t care about the truth, they just want to spread doubt and hate even if it means making up lies to fuel people’s anger.

April 16, 2010 at 2:45 am
(93) Nathaniel says:

I just read every single comment….. and just wanted to point out that being Christian has become more about religious acts then believing, using faith and following God. I have been to many churches and have seen the difference between the two. ‘Faith Believers’ and ‘ ordinary Christians’ Have you ever heard ‘signs and wonders will follow those who believe in my name’ Mark 16:17. It is mind blowing when you witness a miracle happen to yourself or a friend when a true believe pray. I’m not going to judge who is real or fake but i have found a real apostle of God (very cool dude 29 and blessed like crazy i’m talking Abraham blessed… rich ) and I’m learning from him. I have found that most Christians are living religiously and don’t realize how great being a Christian is. As believers in Jesus and his death he did so much more than just taking away sin. He wants to exchange our debt for riches our sickness for health or and a lot more. since i have started to believe in Jesus to take my debs i have went from -20,000 $ in debt to -1,300 in debt in 4 months almost there. I’m a self-emploiede Electrician I make very little like 25,000 a year i should probably get on with a bigger company but right now I have been getting so much work i might have to higher on a couple of guys. Anyway just cause someone says there a Christian dose not mean a whole lot a real relationship with God and faith in him to take care of your needs means a lot more. Oh i was also healed once it saved me on getting surgery a doctor bill i don’t even think about going to a doctor anymore. who needs a health care plan? just believe. God bless

April 16, 2010 at 3:16 am
(94) Nathaniel says:

wow totally missed my point there are a lot of people who say they are Christian but don’t even know what it is to be one. If this country was founded by Christians , believers or not i don’t know. All i know is the here and now and what we have to go off of. The human race might all just be a bunch of morons looking for truth by reading in accurate history full of lies but when i look at how wonder full everything is in nature. It makes me believe in a designer full of love. help us to see truth Lord.

April 16, 2010 at 3:52 am
(95) LILI says:

Please follow this link, decide for yourself, and pray for our president (whether you like him or not) http://www.presidentialprayerteam.com

April 16, 2010 at 4:33 am
(96) Nathaniel says:

I don’t think Obama is a muslim. He went to Christian church for 15 years a big one of a few thousand members in Chicago. muslims dont normaly do that. It was probably all the members of his church that where a big in influence in his election. they probably worked real hard to get him there. I think all the slander comes from people with bad intentions. I did not vote for him but i did research him and found most things said about him were untrue. I’m still not convinced that he is a born again believer. but i think he is more christian than the last two presidents. bush spent billions to go to war for money, sell out. Clinton just sat in office collecting money being famous. Obama is just trying to give free bees to poor people sounds more christian to me.

April 16, 2010 at 8:43 am
(97) b-rett says:

I really am sick of the race card. Just because we don’t agree with our black president and his policies doesn’t make anyone a racist. He has spent more that Bush in his first year and saying Bush went to war for money or to avenge his dad is just speculation.Our country is going to hell in a hand bag and Mr. Obama his carrying it. Just stop with the race card black people get things hannded to them now a days. if anything it’s reverse racism and that’s even getting old.

April 16, 2010 at 8:51 am
(98) B-rett says:

I have lived,sir for a long time, and the longer I live,the more convincing proofs i see of this truth-that God governs in the affairs of men.And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?We have been assured,Sir,in the sacred writings that”except …the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it.”I firmly believe this.-Benjamin FranklinSee More

April 16, 2010 at 8:53 am
(99) b-rett says:

to whoever said this nation wasn’t found on religion read that and all the other god mentioned quotes our founding fathers made…maybe Obama should read this he wants to be like HONEST ABE

April 16, 2010 at 10:20 am
(100) Lauren says:

Christians believe that Jesus was the Son of God. He gave His life as a ransom for many (Mat 20:28) by dying on the cross. He was buried in a borrowed, gaurded tomb for 3 days. God accepted the sacrifice of His only Son and raised him from the dead on the 3rd day, just as Jesus has said He would be. Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me.” (John 14:6) If you believe these things you will be saved and live in heaven with God for eternity. Repent if your sins and ask Jesus to live in your heart today. Fellow Christians, let your light shine, don’t hide it under a bushel. Pray for our country, our people and our leaders.

April 16, 2010 at 10:49 am
(101) JTC says:

This thread saddens me, that we’ve gone from discussing the fact (there, I said it) that Obama did NOT cancel the National Day of Prayer, to slinging insults at our fellow Americans and/or Christians, and to take underhanded cuts at each other based on assumptions of qualifications when they have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the actual matter at handc. The ‘nuh-uh, they said it first’ argument is the retort of children- we are adults, here.

The claim that collegiate-level education is somehow useless is amusing, though, I have to say- how, exactly, do you think doctors, or even military officers, get to where they are? I voted for Obama, I served with the Marine Corps and in Iraq- and not in that order.

We need to stop polarizing our own nation- Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, Wiccans, and those I can’t think of right now- and sit at the big kid’s table. I am happy to hear the Day is not cancelled; I have no opinion pro or con about Obama’s own take on it, as that’s between him and the Lord. Some people are going to be offended it’s being done. I urge them to make their peace with it, and to follow a path that fulfills them.

April 16, 2010 at 10:52 am
(102) JTC says:

One other thing, about this being founded as a Christian nation- there’s a wide berth of meaning to the word ‘Christian’. There’s also evidence that the Founding Fathers are more accurately described as deists. Something to help direct research, and I leave it to those with more actual historical knowledge than myself to run with it.

April 16, 2010 at 12:07 pm
(103) LaTisha says:

@b-rett: Black people get things handed to them? Really? Do you know who the highest recipients of welfare in America are? White families. The largest group to benefit from affirmative action? White women. The group that disproportionately receives most college scholarships? White males and females combined. Where are the handouts? Considering the 200+ years of free labor the enslaved Africans contributed to make this country, if there were free handouts given, I would say they are “paid in full.”

Everyone who disagrees with Pres. Obama is not considered racist, I think we all agree a/b that. But when people choose NOT to dismiss rumors that are proven to be false and refuse to stand behind ANYTHING he does or says, we have to consider that the reason for the illogical rationale could be racism. Obama has been given a bad hand when he inherited America, yet no one seems to blame Bush (who caused the problem) as much as they love to blame our current President. People who get so violently angry when they discuss Pres Obama should examine whether their concerns are really justified, or if it is just a knee-jerk reaction to having a Black man as Commander In Chief. It’s a self-examination between that person and his/her psyche. Some who are anti-Obama are truly against what he has done so far, but it is a reality that others are merely against EVERYTHING only b/c of his color. Our reason for discussing race is that racism is indoctrinated in our society so deeply, that the knee-jerk reaction to be against him should be examined…..and stopped. Let those with real, true, fact-based issues against him speak up. That was the basis behind this thread in the first place, how RUMORS are passed as fact to create discord when it comes to President Obama.

I think a good example on this thread is Melynda’s comment:

“I felt like something wasn’t right when a friend of mine posted this on her facebook page. I commented her status and told her that it was a lie, that I had researched it, included some links, and told her she should take down the lie so it would not spread. She refuses to take it down still after the facts are in her face………Some people don’t care about the truth, they just want to spread doubt and hate even if it means making up lies to fuel people’s anger.”

@JTC: The “nuh uh” comment by David Emery was just to lighten the mood :) It is possible to have an adult discussion and still have fun with it! I agree with your awesome comment that polarizing the nation only hurts everybody in the end. Let’s teach our children better than we were taught, then we’re on our way to a better nation for us all!

April 16, 2010 at 12:35 pm
(104) Amanda Squires says:

I wish I could upload your comments to Facebook. I am so sick of the blind parrots posting lies, rumors and outright intentional falsehoods as truth. Even when shown the evidence some keep posting the lies.

April 16, 2010 at 12:43 pm
(105) Jan says:

I cannot wait to get home and post the TRUTH on FB (can’t do it at work). WHY can’t people take 5 seconds to research something before they post?????

April 16, 2010 at 12:55 pm
(106) MelMac says:

Why is everyone using this issue to bring up bank bail-outs, abortion, the war in Iraq, government spending, racism, blah blah blah. Stick to the point, please.

I saw a few people on FB trying to make the argument that this is just another attempt to take away our freedoms. How do you figure?? You have the freedom to pray any time of day, any day of the year, in any manner you wish. You don’t have to wait for the frickin government to tell you what day to do it on, and if you ARE waiting for this, then YOU are chosing not to utilize your freedom – so don’t blame the government.

Additionally, I believe there’s a little something somewhere that calls for the separation of church and state. However, you cannot deny the fact that the Pilgrims (remember them?) came to this country for their religious freedom. That is a completely separate issue from those who are called the “Founding Fathers”, who established our basis of government. They did so due to the issue of taxation without representation. They actually WANTED to remain associated with England (hence the reason why Ben Franklin made many trips over there to argue that the colonial citizens should be taxed and treated the same as if they lived on English soil. But King George forced the issue, and the rest is history.) And remember, many of the founding fathers owned slaves, had children out of wedlock, sometimes with their females slaves, and died of sexually transmitted diseases. Even Ben Franklin left his wife and refused to acknowledge his own son, while he screwed his way all over the colonies and Europe, sometimes with married women!

Anywho, if Obama chooses not to observe the NDP at the White House, that’s his perogitive as the President. Frankly, I respect HIS right to make that decision. I am not at all insulted by it, because it’s not going to stop ME from exercising MY freedom to pray wherever and whenever I want.

As others have pointed out, this is a National Day of Prayer, not just Christian prayer. (I am a Christian – was raised Roman Catholic, just to give full disclosure.) If your only point is to complain about muslims, you’re not showing tolerance for others’ beliefs. So I must then ask the question “IS that being a good Christian?”

Look, I don’t claim to be an expert on Christianity, or the Constitution, nor can I quote the Bible chapter and verse. I do believe in God. At the same time, I’ve often wondered if there will come a day when Christianity will be dismissed as pure mythology (some already feel this way), just as the former beliefs of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, etc. have been dismissed as such. Not sure how many of you know this, but ol’ Saint Patrick was a Christianity marketing genious! He was able to convert more Celts by incorporating some of their “pagan” symbols with Christian symbols – that’s why the Celtic cross has a circle with it – the circle represents their former belief of worshiping the sun as a god.

I like to use my grandmother (God rest her soul) as an example: she was about as excellent at being Catholic as one can get, short of belonging to Opus Dei, (but don’t get me going on them). HOWEVER, after observing the way she treated people, especially her children’s spouses and some grandchildren who were adopted and not of her blood) I made my own conclusion that she was not a very good Christian, not by a long stretch.

As a “good” little Catholic, I am supposed to believe in no homosexuality, no masterbation, priests not being able to marry, no premarital sex, sex only for procreation, no birth control, and no abortion. However, if I didn’t accept homosexuality, I’d have to disown my uncle, several cousins and many friends. Perhaps if priests were not made to be ashamed of masterbating, or were allowed to marry, we’d wouldn’t have as many pedophelia scandals as we presently do in the Catholic Church. I enjoyed having premarital sex with partners that I loved; however, I’m married now, and it is a vow that I hold sacred and now exlusively enjoy with my husband. I use birth control because I suffer from severe PMS symptom, as well as depression and anxiety, which runs in my family. I do not wish to pass these on to my children, nor make the same mistakes that my mother (God rest her soul) made in raising us before she was able to get on medication that completely changed her life and our relationship in so many positive ways. And although I am a registered Republican, I believe in pro-choice. I’m glad that I was able to make that choice when I was going through a very dark period in my life; however, it is something that I would never consider again for my OWN reasons. My husband had twin daughters out of wedlock, he and their mother were never married, but I love them as if they were my own, and we work very hard at proper co-parenting with their Mom. I am blessed to have them in my life.

As my next point, I am extremely disappointed to see that Pope Ben is more focused on such trite issues as officially forgiving the Beatles for John Lennon saying that, at that time, they appeared to be more popular in society than Jesus. Phew, glad we don’t have to worry about THAT any more! Additionally, the Church took the amazingly ignorant position this week that pedophelia is a result of homosexuality, rather than priests being able to marry. Sorry Pope, but you are so wrong. Homosexuality does not make someone a pedophile and vice versa. A pedophile has several things wrong with their ways of thinking and living. I know many homosexuals who are more mentally stable than a lot of other people in this world, and I am proud that they are my friends and family.

Anyway, sorry for going on so long. I’m sure I’m going to get blasted for my beliefs. Please try to remember, the above topics are MY opinions, I’m not trying to change anyone elses beliefs, even if I disagree with them. I’m just voicing my own. Now… bring on the hate!! :-)

April 16, 2010 at 1:21 pm
(107) JL says:

@Warren- The only comment that made sense and would prove that if Obama did in fact cancel the National Day of Prayer…It would be Christian of him to do so. lol

Please stop spreading lies about our President. There are so many out there it is ridiculous.

April 16, 2010 at 1:30 pm
(108) LaTisha says:

@MelMac: I think your comments are awesome! It was a long reply (no apology needed!) b/c you got a lot of issues off your chest, and eloquently I might add. The open-mindedness that you possess due to your life experience is exceptional. More thinking like that is what we need! Kudos to you my friend :) The only thing I would like to add is that the other topics (racism, Iraq, govt spending, etc) come into play b/c it all has to do with the criticism that Obama has endured thus far. In my opinion, it all has to do with the initial topic.

@Amanda Squires: I copied and pasted the Urban Legends link to my friend’s FB page who posted the “Obama cancels Nat’l Day of Prayer” update to her status. I commented and put the website link there, that way others are able to read this entire thread if they wish.

April 16, 2010 at 1:31 pm
(109) Ben says:

Noticeably no one contradicted Rich-in-MD. That’s the way I totally believe and most people who actually take the time to recognize that solutions are rarely found in ideology will believe the same thing.

April 16, 2010 at 2:33 pm
(110) MelMac says:

@LaTisha, Was just re-reading some comments and saw your post indicating that racism is a mental illness. Do you mind if I ask when and where this has been proven, documented, and accepted by the medical community? I respectfully ask you to remember that opinion is often times different from fact.

As someone who does suffer from legitimate mental illness, please don’t lump me in as a racist, because, quite simply, I’m not a racist. To echo a quote from my earlier post, racism does not qualify someone as having a mental illness and vice versa. Racism is rooted in and born out of HATE and IGNORANCE.

My husband also takes anti-depressants due to a history of depression, as well as PTSD from two tours in Iraq as a combat medic. Although coming from a very small town in Northern Maine, where I unfortunately have seen racism occur, he and I have had the pleasure of working with people from all over the world and of many different cultures. We are both facsinated to learn about, and be respectful of, other cultures, just as we hope other cultures would do for us. So again, please don’t lump us in with racists, or make a claim that racism is a legitimate mental illness.

Thank you very much.

P.S. I’m already willing to bet that you did not intentionally mean that to be a hurtful comment … :-)

April 16, 2010 at 2:44 pm
(111) XweAponX says:

@melmac: Racism IS a mental abberation. as a person who also suffers from major depression and anxiety disorders, I can say for a fact that racism is a mental illness.

Some people are paranoid, some people are depressed, others have several other people living in the house. Just because you yourself do not suffer with racism, does not mean that it is not a mental illness.

April 16, 2010 at 2:49 pm
(112) MellMac says:

One last thing, and I mean this to be funny:

@Brian, who said LaTisha has no “real world” experience, your comment reminds me of an episode of My Name is Earl, in which Darnell and Joy are arguing about who is smarter. (Those who watch the show know that Darnell is very well educated and is in the witness protection program.) Anyway, Joy claims to have “street smarts”, and Darnell’s reply is that (I’m paraphrasing) “street smarts is something that people who don’t have any book smarts make up to make themselves feel smarter.” :-)

April 16, 2010 at 3:04 pm
(113) MelMac says:

@XweAponX: Again, I can only ask that you to let me know when and where racism is a documented, published and medically accepted mental illness. Otherwise we can only agree to disagree.

In my opinion, claiming that racism is a legitimate mental illness is an excuse to make it easier and acceptible for racism to be spread further. Very much like the “not guilty by mental defect” defense is so abused by our judicial system.

April 16, 2010 at 3:44 pm
(114) MelMac says:

@XweAponX: Sorry, hit enter instead of return. The rest of my point is that claiming racism is a legitimate mental illness is the same as the abuse of the “not guilty by mental defect” defense. NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN CHOICES IN LIFE. Even those of us who do suffer from legitimet mental illness need to take responsibility for our actions.

The meds I take have made a difference in my ability to function, no doubt about it; however, they are not an end-all cure. It is my responsibility to seek additional help when I need it, such as going to see my therapist to work on issues that are gnawing at me. If I bite my husband’s head off because I’m PMS-ing, it’s my responsibility to apologize him. Too many adults are still trying to blame mommy and daddy for their lot in life. My sister, who suffered from borderline personality disorder pulled that crap for many years. But she would go off her meds cold-turkey, or not take them as directed, and would always stop going to therapy when the truth started to come out and she needed to take a look in the mirror. No one made her do these things – she chose to do it. She chose to have a revolving door of men in her life rather than taking her meds and going to therapy. She chose to be marry a coke-head after only knowing him for two weeks, and then whined about the fact that he was a coke-head! Just the other day, someone tried to justify to me that my sister’s biological father’s abuse of my mother while they were married was “OK” because he was abused. Big wow, so that makes it OK for him to almost choke her to death while she was pregnant? Anyone who comes from abuse has the same two choices in life: become an abuser, or get the help you need to forgive your abuser and stop the cycle of abuse. My sister and I were abused as children also, and for many years, my way of dealing with it was to become an alchoholic. But I made that choice myself, not my parents. Then I almost died, so I chose to stop drinking 14 years ago, and I have worked my ass off to get past the many issues from my childhood. I was able to forgive my mother for the pain she caused, and forgive my father for not stopping her. Mom and I became so close and such good friends that as she lay dying of cancer, I could just look at her and know what she needed.

If you are brought up in a household or a community that promotes hatred and ignorance, then you have to chose between keeping that cycle going, or get out, educate yourself and no longer associate with people who exhibit that type of behavior. That would be like me trying to stay sober but then getting a job at as a bartender. Kinda stupid, don’t you think? Therefore, I must take the responsibility to make healthier, wiser choices for myself.

Anyway, now we’ve digressed far off the main point, which was not my intention, so I’m now taking the responsibility to log off and not listen to you make excuses for racist behavior! Have a nice day…

April 16, 2010 at 4:03 pm
(115) Will says:

Tolerance has NOTHING to do with being a good Christian. Jesus rebuked the religous leaders of the time and didn’t tolerate any of it. Whether or not someone is a Christian is between them and God, not for any man to judge. However, as a Christian you are called to be set apart. Participating in things like premarital sex, drunkeness, muder and so on is not how you should live. Chrisians rights are very much being taken away. You can’t wear a cross necklace to school where I live, you can’t bring a bible on campus, we can’t have a bible study on campus or anything. Seperation of church and state was put in place so the government couldn’t tell people when or where to worship or what religion to be and so that the church couldn’t make laws purely for their benefit. This is exactly who Jesus rebuked the leaders. Because they had made up a whole list of laws for the people about where they could buy their sacrifices and a laundry list of other things.
“for Go so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son. Not to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.” John 3:16

April 16, 2010 at 4:20 pm
(116) MelMa,c says:

P.S. You also indicated that “just because I don’t suffer with racism, etc. etc.” I hope you meant that from the standpoint of being on the receiving end of racism, not the giving end. You sound like you’re defending the giving end though, by making excuses for it. And since you’ve incorrectly made that assumption, let me teach you about some of Maine’s dirty little secrets. Back in the day, Maine was notorious for racism against the French and the Irish and the Catholics who came from the old world and then down from Canada to start a new life here. I am made up of all three. We have a picture in our historical society of a very large KKK march through the town of Milo, Maine. My father’s family lost it’s French heritage because my grandmother did not want her kids to go through it, but my Dad still experienced it from his teachers. Ironically, my Dad’s family is descended from Frenchy Royalty all the way back to Charlemagne. We have many Kings, Queens Popes and even Saints in our family tree.

Other states used to gather up the French and put them on a boat out in the harbor, and then sink the boat. How did you think the Cajun culture came about? Because for their safety, the French moved into the swamps with the Native Americans to hide from such attrocious behavior.

And in case you’ve never heard of the “Orangemen”, they are/were another hate-mongering group who hid like cowards under masks, just like the KKK, and marched through the streets of many Maine towns including our hometown, because they hated Catholics. Ironically members of my husbands family took part in those marches back in the 1800s and early 1900′s. His stepdad even teased him when we got engaged “Watch out, she’ll try to convert ya!”. I’ve known his stepdad my whole life, and I know he’s just kidding – we adore each other…. But to pay him back, I do like they did in an episode of the show Family Guy – I just refer to my Scottish husband as my “Protestant whore.”

You see in our house, we choose to learn from our mistakes and those of our forefathers, and to forgive and put it behind us. Instead we love each other, we tease each other, and we laugh our asses off. And it has nothing to do with hate, or ignorance or mental illness.

April 16, 2010 at 4:32 pm
(117) LaTisha says:

@MelMac: Please understand that stating that racism is a mental illness does not mean that all people who suffer from various types of mental illnesses are racists. That would be the same as saying that b/c some people have lung cancer as a result of smoking, a woman with breast cancer has to be a smoker and that’s how she got her cancer. Although both people have the same disease which is cancer, their types are completely unrelated. By the same token, if you have been diagnosed with a mental illness, that does not imply that your mental illness is racism…. I hope that makes sense the way I explained it!

Anyway, I’m happy that you asked for more “proof” that the psychiatric world does consider racism as a mental illness. Although racism hasn’t made it into the DSM yet, it is WIDELY recognized by many prominent psychiatrists as a mental illness. I’m actually surprised that you haven’t already been exposed to this information prior since it is so widespread, but since you haven’t I’m happy to share!

Alvin Poussaint, MD who is a Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School has said that racism is a “delusional psychotic symptom” that should be examined for inclusion in the DSM. Dr. Poussaint further stated, “As a clinical psychiatrist, I have treated several patients who projected their own unacceptable behavior and fears onto ethnic minorities, scapegoating them for society’s problems. Their strong racist feelings, which were tied to fixed belief systems impervious to reality checks, were symptoms of serious mental dysfunction. When these patients became more aware of their own problems, they grew less paranoid—and less prejudiced.”

That statement by Dr. Poussaint directly relates to what we have been discussing in this thread. A blatant lie was made up a/b Pres Obama regarding Prayer Day, and even though the TRUTH was factually exposed some are still UNWILLING to hear it for no substantial reason. Maybe b/c their “fixed belief system is impervious to reality checks…”

Carl Bell, MD of the Community Mental Health Council at the Univ of Illinois in Chicago has said, “We know that patients with a paranoid disorder project their unacceptable feelings and ideas onto other people and groups. So isn’t it possible for these patients to project their unacceptable feelings and ideas onto different racial and ethnic groups?”

Yehudi O. Webster has called racism, “a morbid mental state, an irrational belief system, or an institutionalized condition of discrimination that may be rooted in economic conditions and class considerations.”

There are so many reasons why the psychiatric community feels racism has not made its way into the DSM as of yet. Some feel it’s b/c they don’t want perpetrators of hate crimes to get off by pleading “insanity” which is what would happen if it’s documented in the DSM. Others believe the whole psychiatric community doesn’t want it included b/c then that might mean that THEY themselves are mentally ill (or their family members) if they consider the set of beliefs they were raised with. There are many opinions a/b why it’s not in the DSM even though racism is widely accepted as a mental impairment, it goes on and on and on!

Former Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm said it best when she said, “Indeed racism is so universal in this country, so widespread and deep-seated, that it is invisible because it is so normal.” For this reason, I don’t expect we’ll see it in the DSM anytime soon; however, talking about it they way we are on this thread is one way to progress in the right direction! :)

April 16, 2010 at 4:40 pm
(118) Angus says:

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

April 16, 2010 at 4:56 pm
(119) MelMac says:

Thanks for the lecture Will, but save it for someone who IS having pre-marital sex, is a drunk, and is a murderer. Although the first two items used to be a part of my life, they no longer are, so don’t judge me, or anyone else for that matter. Who are you?

You are correct that Jesus rebuked the religious leaders of his time. Why? Because they had their heads so far up the Roman government’s collective ass! They had money exchanging tables in the Jewish temples, and Jesus got pissed and toppled them. So the religious leaders went to Pontius Pilot, who was not a religious figure but a government official, to have him arrested. Pilot did so, but reluctantly.

I feel that TOLERANCE (which you make it sound like a dirty word) is part of Christ’s teaching. But you’ve taken what I said out of context. I’m talking about tolerance and respect for other’s beliefs and cultures. I am NOT talking about tolerating BAD BEHAVIOR. That was why Jesus rebuked the religious leaders – for their inappropriate behavior.

Here’s a real life example for you: I loved my sister very much, but I did not agree with her bad behaviors that she chose to make. And there were times that I could barely tolerate her because she constantly overstepped my boundaries. But I still loved her and forgave her because she was my sister. I learned to not expect my family to be like the Cleaver’s, because I was just setting them and myself up for failure.

My sister had finally started down the right path with her life – she was going to therapy regularly, taking her meds appropriately, and had been in a monogomous relationship for over 4 years. She had just bought herself a house for herself and her daughter that she was going to move into in the Spring. When we had our first Christmas without our Mom, my sister did her best to fill that void, by getting all of us personalized gifts as though they came from Mom. I was so proud of her. Sadly, two months later, and 8 months to the day of our mother’s death, my sister died from an accidental overdose of her pain medication after having back surgery.

You’re telling me in one breath that tolerance is not part of Christianity, but then in the next breath you bitch about the religious intolerance of your town and community. So what point are you trying to make, because right now you aren’t. I can’t tell for sure, but if you DON’T like the intolerance in your surroundings, then choose to change it instead of judging people like little ol’ me. However if you are for intolerance, then go join the KKK, and I will try to wish you well in your poor life choices.

April 16, 2010 at 5:06 pm
(120) someone you dont know says:

thats because JDP is a douche bag and should be shot.

April 16, 2010 at 5:07 pm
(121) Allison says:

“You are the salt of the Earth. But if the Earth loses it’s saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no linger good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled by men. You are th light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead, they out it on it’s stand and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way let your light sine before men, that they may see your good deeds, and praise your Father in heaven.” Matthew 5:13-16

April 16, 2010 at 5:56 pm
(122) Annita says:

Its funny how people feel the need to trash others to feel better about themselves. I would hate to be president in this day and age because of all the misinformed people using the cyber world to promote their misguided beliefs. It would not matter who is president today. He or She would be trashed.

April 16, 2010 at 6:22 pm
(123) MelMac says:

@LaTisha: I have probably not been exposed to the quotes you mention above because I do no study psychology. My goal when I go to see my therapist is to work on changing me and get help for the issues that affect my life. It is not a study lession on historical quotes made by psychologists specializing in that area, so that I can then go out and change the world by ridding it of racism. It’s my therapist’s and my shrink’s jobs to get schooled on that stuff, lol! I am a retirement plan manager, so I could preach all day to you about 401(k) plans and how much the government is also screwing THEM up with all the stupid laws they keep passing, which only serve to make retirement plans more and more difficult to administer. All because a few bad apples like Enron cooked the books, and their employees got greedy and stupidly invested 100% in company stock. But I’ll spare you the agony!

Actually, my midlife crisis was to quit my job managing the retirement plan of a very large Fortune 100 company based in Round Rock, TX because of all the laws that they, as the plan sponsor, seemed willing breaking. My personal desire to maintain a high level of integrity and work ethics that were instilled in me by my parents didn’t seem to jive with their’s. Oh well, another lesson learned! So I made that choice, and am now doing a total career change to become a Certified Medical Coder. It’s a growth industry! :-)

I do get the point that you are trying to make, and like I said, I know you didn’t mean the previous remark to be hurtful of others and get that you didn’t mean it to be all inclusive. At the same time, however, I was feeling that you were contradicting yourself by first defining racism one way, then another. However, as my therapist often tells me, “sometimes both things can be true.”

For example, do I still love my Catholic grandmother? Yes, very much. But you wanna know something? For all the racism she wanted to avoid for her kids, my first experience with a racist was with HER! My Aunt and Uncle adopted a black child when she was a baby. She and I are the same age, and whenever they would come home from Texas we had a blast. I just thought she had darker skin and curlier hair, right? So then ol’ Gram tells me “Well she’s a mullato!” and I remember saying “What’s that mean?” “She’s half black!”. I said “She is????” I had no idea! Well, after that, my Aunt and the kids didn’t come home again for 25 years, until after Grammy died. So she missed 25 years of watching two of her grandchildren grow up. My cousin is one of my favorite people in the world, and she laughs her ass off whenever we get talking about that. She doesn’t let it bother her. In my honest opinion, she was much better off NOT being around our grandmother given her feelings about blacks. Irony can be so ironic sometimes, huh? ;-)

April 16, 2010 at 6:39 pm
(124) LES says:

Okay, Okay let me get this straight……Obama has either canceled or won’t be attending the ”National Day of Prayer”
event held annually for dozens of years and where many American Presidents have faithfully attended. For whatever reason, he allegedly was quoted that he didn’t ”want to offend anyone” via his participation of the event…….Hmmmm
I wonder which groups of people he would ”offend”. Perhaps they are the vast majority of people who have opted to live their lives outside THE VERY, VERY BUILDING BLOCKS OF THIS ONCE GREAT NATION OF OURS: CHRISTIANITY. Contrary to what many of you poor, poor souls believe, the founding fathers of our Nation FOUNDED this country from CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS PROSECUTIONS being implemented in the ”old world”. Our founding father’s beliefs about christian worship differed from many others in European society simply because they expressed different ways of worshiping God. They were CHRISTIANS, wanting to find a NEW CHRISTIAN WAY OF LIFE under a new CHRISTIAN STATE, THIS COUNTRY!!! And now, you have left-wing wackos , bleeding hearts and non Christians wanting to neutralize this Great Nation for performing what is was FOUNDED upon doing; becoming a SOLID CHRISTIAN-ORIENTED INSTITUTION!!!! The results? rampant drug use, fatherless children, Homosexuals and other deviants demanding justice and equality, broken homes, elderly people and innocent babies being abused, killed, ect., my list goes on. Many people will believe i’m a racist bigot…
whatever; MY father was a full-blooded CHOCTAW BLACKFOOT and my mother is 3/4 CHEROKEE. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT A LIBERAL CHRISTIAN-LESS AMERICA, LEAVE AND FORM YOUR OWN NATION! Don’t ask ME to leave, my people were here FIRST!!!!

April 16, 2010 at 6:51 pm
(125) Kristin says:

okay so I think it is fine to choose not to celebrate it at the White House… that does go against the constitution. Now if he did cancel it entirely thats bull. I am fine with any religion having their own day of what ever it is they want…. As a Christian I am pretty sure NO ONE is being forced to do or acknowledge anything… it is a day for Christians to pray together, not to enforce our beliefs on others. If you dont agree with what we are doing just simply walk away and dont have a part in it, but dont say its offensive because its our right to express our religion and at least here it is not forcing it upon anyone that does not want a part in it so I dont care if he cancels it… I plan on doing what we do every year at my school.

April 16, 2010 at 6:58 pm
(126) Annita says:

The truth: President Obama has not, in fact, canceled the National Day of Prayer. Per a 1988 Act of Congress setting the observance on the first Thursday of every May, the U.S. National Day of Prayer will take place as usual on May 6, 2010

It was a facebook rumour that spread like wildfire.

April 16, 2010 at 7:09 pm
(127) LaTisha says:

@MelMac: I wasn’t implying that you would be exposed to the information on racism through your sessions with your psychiatrist! Lol! I meant that it is widespread in our society via media and educational circles. I thought most people would know or at least would have heard of racism as a mental illness. I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist either, but I am a PERSON so I try to surround myself with lots of information about people and their behaviors….but I guess I take for granted that everyone is as thirsty for information as I am!

I don’t think any of the definitions of racism so far are contradictory, they are using different words and phrasing to say the same thing. But like you said, racism is a very complex topic and can have diverse ways of discussing it.

It’s great you have been able to maintain a relationship with your cousin. Kudos to her adoptive parents for their attempts to keep her well-adjusted, at all costs! Btw, good luck with your new MBC career…I hear that that is a highly lucrative field right now!

April 16, 2010 at 7:14 pm
(128) Will says:

MelMac, those comments were not directly for you. Read the BIble again. Jesus didn’t just rebuke bad behavior, it was part of their belief system. It’s not peoples intolerance of Christians that I have a problem with. It is standing up as Christain and letting my light shine because that’s what God calls you to do. Yes, I can do that without the Government, but Christians do not hide in darkness. It is time for them to make a stand and we will not be silenced. Remember “even a child is known by his doings.”
Praying for you, my friend. “May God bless you and keep you.”

April 16, 2010 at 7:23 pm
(129) LaTisha says:

@Annita: You’re keeping it simple, and truthful, GREAT! :)

April 16, 2010 at 9:19 pm
(130) Nathaniel says:

Catholicism is a man made religion based on the Bible to make money and controle people. I’m sure the people that attend a Catholic church mean well but they seem to turn a blind eye when junk happens. The Pope is the same as Muhammad just an icon “Watch out that no one deceives you, for many will come in my name,.. and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.” Mat 24:3-5,10-11 (NIV)

April 16, 2010 at 10:04 pm
(131) Rachael says:

“if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and forgive their sin and heal their land.” 2 Chron 7:14
Pray for our nation, leaders, and our people. Take a stand and be silent no more.

April 16, 2010 at 10:22 pm
(132) pauline says:

just this one point cause I can’t stand all this craziness.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

people are just looking for any excuse they can find to condemn our president because he is such a change from what we have had. a welcome change to me. he would have to mess up pretty darn bad to even begin to match the jokefest the dubya fiasco turned out to be

April 17, 2010 at 2:01 pm
(133) Heath Watts says:

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution is very clear:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
A national day of prayer is in violation of the First Amendment and should not be sponsored by the U.S. government. The U.S. is a secular nation, and I want it to remain that way.

April 18, 2010 at 1:09 am
(134) LES says:

HEATH WATTS: Firstly, this Country has NEVER always been a secular Nation. Individuals such as Atheists and Liberals have regrettably steered our great America into that direction. Secondly, your ”cute” little quotation has stabbed you in the foot, and you aren’t even aware of it. ”OR PROHIBITING THE EXERCISE THEREOF”. When i’m told that I can’t hold open prayer at public school games, or place the Nativity on open public ground, or express my disapproval of the evils of Homosexual Marriage due to my religious convictions, it IS I AND HUNDREDS OF OTHER SERIOUS CHRISTIANS who are being ”prohibited in exercising thereof” our religious beliefs!, and It is accomplished by anti-Christian groups who go THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT to keep us silent!

April 18, 2010 at 11:12 am
(135) Josh says:

Haven’t any of these people ever heard of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?? I am a Non Believer, I dont shove my views onto anyone. Christians on the other hand feel the need to shove their views down everyones throats. THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED TO STAND OVER EVERYONE MAKING THEM PRAY. If you people want to pray then go to a church and do it in private.

April 18, 2010 at 8:22 pm
(136) Jeanne says:

@HeathWatts – Did you even pass 6th grade English? What part of LAW and ESTABLISHMENT are you not getting? “Sponsored” is NOT “LAW”. Unless there’s a LAW forcing the citizens of this nation to participate in a National Day of Prayer, you (and that dishonorable federal judge) have no leg to stand on with your arguments.

Read that amendment you quoted over and over and over – however long it takes for the words LAW and ESTABLISHMENT to sink in. This is not a difficult concept at all. It has to be a LAW respecting the ESTABLISHMENT of a religion or it’s not about the constitution whatsoever. You are giving these words false meaning to suit your own immature desires – a childish, petty, unworthy act that should shame anyone who engages in it. How about you and your fellow ilk man up and support a greater principle – the idea that even though you disagree with someone, you will fully support his right to his beliefs, because you honor and respect all people of this country, even if they don’t always treat you the same way. Then, and only then, will you have the moral high ground.

The anti-religious crowd now is no better than the people they are trying to silence and that makes them nothing more than digusting hypocrites. People pray. Let them. Let them do it all at once on the same day if that’s what they want. Support them, even, in this, and show you are better than what you currently seem to be. The first amendment is NOT freedom from religion and it is NOT a proof that the government must never so much as conduct a prayer – go on, read it AGAIN and think VERY carefully about every single word of it. Then grow up and accept that it does not, in fact, say anything close to what you want it to say and that your life is the better for it because it truly does protect the freedom for ALL Americans.

April 19, 2010 at 11:49 am
(137) Bradford R L says:

@Karen (post 31)

John 14:6
Acts 4:12

2 Tim. 3:16-17
Heb. 4:12

April 19, 2010 at 2:17 pm
(138) MakeupYourMind says:

http://www.nationalprayer.org/

ULTIMATE DEBUNKER!

April 19, 2010 at 2:55 pm
(139) Thomas says:

Church and state. I wish people would learn the objective definite about it’s separation, rather than assume it just means church doesn’t have anything to do with State, nor vice versa.

Clearly, with a plurality of the constitution framers being either active or holding office in some form of recognized religious group, there must be some connection by default. In fact, much of the constitution can be directly related back to biblical precepts.

So, how is it that the “church”, which if far too often confused with Christianity, has been thought to be taboo in discussing issues of morality, civility and personal responsibility. We need to take the context of Scripture, rather than the mere fact that it exists as way of life for so many Americans and inplement it, not through law or regulation, but through personal commitment and a willingness to lend a hand to those less fortunate than ourselves. In fact, don’t we, as a country, do that all the time anyway?

Just keep the politics out of church and vice versa and people will then be able to rely on some certainty, in these days of double speak and “spin doctors”.

April 20, 2010 at 9:02 am
(140) J.R. says:

That these comments are flying back and forth on the rumors, facts , opinions ,whatever ….illustrates the fact that we are not entirely sure of what this President’s religion is. Why did he change his name from Barry to….

April 20, 2010 at 9:58 pm
(141) Walter Wawra says:

Who are we to get angered at a man who cancels prayer day at the white house if this is what he wishes to do then so be it, God gave us free will for a reason to see which of us are worthy of his love for eternity i am not condeming obama i just think that everyone is making a big joke out of this, this day was made so that christians may come together to pray together about God. If a mere man says he wishes not to pray so be it that is his choice.

April 22, 2010 at 8:52 am
(142) Titus Asbury says:

Why does the “Majority” have to give up their “Rights” so that some dilbert Dumb Ass can have his? Is this not America and did we not found it on certain freedoms YOU DON”T LIKE IT LEAVE IT!

April 22, 2010 at 10:58 am
(143) Cookieman says:

You know if you all want everything free from the goverment, like the afican american woman that was on tv saying he was going to pay for her house,food and car before Obama was put in. All you people have to do is join the military for thirty years like I did and you will get a retirement check and low dental and health care. But no I know you will sit on your keaster and do nothing. But I do have one thing that you don’t. PRIDE and HONOR to serve this wonderful country I was born in. And I’m not the least racist because I have had men women in combat beside me that were black and my freinds. If they ever called and needed me I would be there for them . But if you look at the news see who is commiting the most crimes and shootings. And Latisha is black and racist cause I have never heard a white woman named Latisha.

April 22, 2010 at 12:57 pm
(144) Jack says:

Let us face it from the start, the major problem most have with Obama is the color of his skin. They will not admit it but behind all of this it come on big.
Just what is a Christian? Is going to a Christian type church every Sunday make you one? Does reading the bible make you one? Do you believe everything in the Bible? Just because you don’t does not prevent you from being a Christian. We would be in a bad way if we followed all of the rules in the Old Testment. How do we really know all about the life and preaching of Jesus? You don’t I don’t and no one really does.
So let us stop all of this picking on Obama and come to gether as a nation and make things better for all.

April 22, 2010 at 4:33 pm
(145) Elvis is alive! says:

Just thought I would add some factual evidence to all the baloney on this thread. 1) Obama did not cancel anything. A Federal Judge declared the law unconstitutional. 2) The Obama adminsitration is now filing a notice of appeal to get the law reinstated.

In other words, Obama is now actively seeking to restore the National Day of Prayer. I am certain all the wonderful Conservative Christians who have been badmouthing the President and repeating factual inaccuracies about his faith and birthplace will all now offer up public apologies on this thread, right? Because otherwise you are bearing false witness against a neighbor and I’m certain you don’t want to do that right? Right?

April 23, 2010 at 10:56 am
(146) Maura says:

To the people who believe the examiner who false accuse obama for canceling national prayer day in white house u might want to look at more reliable source aka CBS NEWS
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002706-503544.html
which states examiner is not true and its the people of wisconsin who were tryin to get it canceled.

April 23, 2010 at 11:54 pm
(147) LaTisha says:

@Cookieman:

Just a little history lesson on me……

At the time I was born my mother was a teacher. When she saw she had given birth to a girl she named me after her favorite student…..

A GIRL NAMED LATISHA WHO WAS WHITE.

So much for your theory :)

@Jack, Elvis is alive!, and Maura:
Excellent points you each made! I agree wholeheartedly with all of your comments!

April 24, 2010 at 10:30 pm
(148) richard luce jr says:

I think the judge that says the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional is wrong! This has nothing to do with separation from STATE and CHURCH! This is every americans right to worship and pray when, where and how at anytime or place. I believe if a person wants to pray than pray! if you don’t want to pray than don’t. That’s my choice and yours!!!! Here is what I suggest to anyone and everyone that reads this comment. I suggest that everyone starts a petition on this than send it to the Justice department/President Obama. This will show him that we care and want it as Christians and Americans!!!!! So lets start it and get it done. Suggest that you start at your church if you do go to one.

April 25, 2010 at 3:31 am
(149) Apologus says:

It’s a simple matter. The statement is untrue, Obama did not cancel the national day of prayer.

Some facts:

– You can pray where you like, when you like
– The NDOP was declared unconstitutional, Obama had nothing to do with it.
– You have the freedom of religion, and there is also the freedom from religion; therefore the separation of church and state.

There is no more to say. Someone, turn off the comments.

April 25, 2010 at 10:02 pm
(150) PDB says:

Katie, # 11, you are an idiot. Absolute idiot. A ‘slip of the tongue’ you call it. But yet that is the only thing you believe…?? I’m nearly certain you aren’t only Christian, but you are one of the very judgemental ignorant kind. You ignore facts. You create your own. Jesus never inteneded to be all of our consciences. Think for yourself and don’t blame Jesus for your sick and distorted views of reality. How dare you to claim that everything he says is a lie. Are you racist? There has to be something much greater than political difference here.

April 26, 2010 at 12:56 pm
(151) Brianna Watson says:

i believe that we should still have national prayer day/

April 26, 2010 at 6:27 pm
(152) Wow says:

WOW – you all seriously need a hobby.

April 30, 2010 at 6:47 am
(153) Penspot says:

Um… okay. This is truly sad guys. I swear I see a few Christians jumping down fellow Christians’ throats and everyone else yelling at each other and calling each other stupid. Over a president. He’ll be gone in a few more years whether he gets re-elected or not. Deal with it.

I don’t know if Obama is a believer in Jesus or in Allah, but that doesn’t really matter in the case above. This issue is whether he cancelled the NDofP, not politics.

If he cancelled the day, fine. I really don’t care because no law or decree can stop ANYONE from praying to our Lord Jesus Christ. If he didn’t great. How about you all just put the matter to rest. Pray if you love God and you want to. If you don’t want to pray, then don’t.

~Pen

May 2, 2010 at 4:06 pm
(154) JPR says:

LaTisha:

You are w/out a doubt one of the most misinformed progressives I’ve ever read. As the great Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D) was fond of saying “”Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact.”
You my dear, have an over abundance of the first and are sadly deficient when it comes to the latter.

May 2, 2010 at 11:10 pm
(155) DB Randell says:

If someone is dispelling a myth, they should get their facts straight, Mr. Emery.
This is the issue. He declined to participate in the prayer saying he would observe it privately. Since 1979, a US president has participated in the day of prayer, until now. That is the issue sir.

Add to it, the banning of Rev Graham for his opposition to muslim violence against women, it is a bit confusing. I thought we were against domestic abuse and supporting of women’s rights.

May 2, 2010 at 11:49 pm
(156) DB Randell says:

To Latisha or Deb, whoever said it, you sound smart, even reasonable, but I have never heard such nonsense in my life.

‘Black Americans are unable to be racist until that happens. Can Blacks be prejudiced? Yes. Bigoted? Yes. Hateful toward Whites? Yes. Angry toward Whites? Yes. Violent toward Whites? Yes. But racist? No.”

How do you think those instituions are formed and enforce racism? Racism doesn’t need an institution; it is formed by ignorance and perpetuated by hatred. Racism is qualifying a persons human value, based on the shade of their skin. Just as bad as antisemitism, judgine one’s value by their religeon.

I was there in the ’60′s, though you don’t find much in history, I fought my father, grandfather, and friends. Some died, fighting for civil rights for all Americans, regardless of skin color. Sad, 50 years later, it continues, for those with color, and those with ‘less’ color.

You qualify me as ‘white’ which is offensive. I am not albino,caucasian or a ‘cracker’. I am a collection of countries and people, German, French, Dutch, Irish, Scottish, English, Apache, Cherokee and Blackfoot. My skin color has little to do with my character or my actions.
I’m American, born in the land of my ancestors and proud of it.

May 3, 2010 at 5:38 am
(157) Linda says:

I personally think all this is because of the COLOR of The President’s SKIN color, give the man a chance Bush left this Great Country in turmoil…need I say more???

May 5, 2010 at 12:35 pm
(158) Debbie says:

Ted you are the idiot. what do you think IN GOD WE TRUST MEANS.

May 5, 2010 at 2:08 pm
(159) dirque says:

World War2. The thing that you thought brought us out of the depression also had the highest tax rate historically in US history ~90%.

I find it hypocritical to complain about abortion rights and advocate war at the same time with one’s Christian sensibilities.

Also I find it curious that anti-abortion advocates are also against social spending to support all these new babies these girls have to have. Boo welfare.

They spend a lot of time talking about families trying to adopt so is the real point of anti-abortion legislature to make baby factories for the barren yuppies of the world?

Obama’s spending numbers are overinflated because he no longer makes the appropriations for our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan a national secret- unlike Bush.

Also I would listen to the coldness of your voice as you describe Obama as a Muslim. (Which he isn’t- Yeah, he grew up in Indonesia – at a Christian parochial school). The sheer attitude you have about a person with a different religion is the whole point of the separation of church and state.

America was founded by FRINGE christian cults persecuted in their home countries because of their religion. That’s why we have religious freedom in our constitution. The whole point was to protect religious rights- personal ones. Not governmental ones.

May 5, 2010 at 2:40 pm
(160) Phil says:

Freaking idiots who believe this. Wake up folks!! A federal judge ruled that National Prayer Day was illegal/unconstitutional. Of course Obama has to tone it down then. He’s actually putting the Federal government at risk of a lawsuit by making a proclomation.

May 5, 2010 at 4:51 pm
(161) Mike says:

I noticed you guys censored my comments. As writers I would thing you supported freedom of speech. Perhaps they were somewhat inflamatory, but they were no less offensive than the writer they were intended for, who you allowed to dribble racist propaganda all over this page. So, why not let mine through as well. I think they made my point quite well. Or because I’m not liberal, I’m not entitled to express my offensive view points? I suppose it is in keeping with liberal thoughts that only conservatives can be censored.

May 5, 2010 at 5:32 pm
(162) David Emery says:

Mike wrote: “I suppose it is in keeping with liberal thoughts that only conservatives can be censored.”

Let me put it this way. If the definition of “conservative” is repeatedly using the n-word to address other commenters, then you are correct. Do it again and you’ll be censored again.

May 5, 2010 at 7:48 pm
(163) J.J. Lowfat says:

I have to admit for the first time in my over 50 years I am a little concerned about the future; we have a black muslim in the white house and a Nazi in the Vatican and Billy Graham is about gone, he was the only good man that God could find in the world. This is a sad time for the world.
JJ

May 6, 2010 at 10:29 am
(164) QUESTION says:
May 7, 2010 at 5:16 pm
(165) geo says:

>>> DB Randell says: If someone is dispelling a myth, they should get their facts straight, Mr. Emery.
This is the issue. He declined to participate in the prayer saying he would observe it privately. Since 1979, a US president has participated in the day of prayer, until now. That is the issue sir.

No, DB, the issue is the false rumor which recirculated from the false rumor in 2009: that the national Day of Prayer was “cancelled.” The rumor began to recirculate independent of President Obama’s statement there would be no public ceremony. Yes, President Obama broke with “tradition”, but the public ceremony is a relatively new thing. Now, if you wish to object, with many others, his determination not to have a White House ceremony, feel free to do so.

But before you say it is “not the issue”, READ the title of the article which began this discussion thread: “FALSE: National Day of Prayer 2010 Canceled by Obama”. That is what the article is about. That is what the issue is. If you have a separate issue, state it as such: A Separate Issue!

May 8, 2010 at 11:32 pm
(166) Please! says:

Wow this is saaad, why would they pull a lie like this?? Evil people, evil, trying to speard rumors and such, that is noo good.
I guess When your a good man, people come up againt you, evil ones.
Good Wishes President Obama, the people still love you!

May 10, 2010 at 9:52 pm
(167) janf says:

U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb wrote that the government can no more enact laws supporting a day of prayer than it can encourage citizens to fast during Ramadan, attend a synagogue or practice magic.

“In fact, it is because the nature of prayer is so personal and can have such a powerful effect on a community that the government may not use its authority to try to influence an individual’s decision whether and when to pray,” Crabb wrote.

Congress established the day in 1952 and in 1988 set the first Thursday in May as the day for presidents to issue proclamations asking Americans to pray. The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Madison-based group of atheists and agnostics, filed a lawsuit against the federal government in 2008 arguing the day violated the separation of church and state.

President Barack Obama’s administration has countered that the statute simply acknowledges the role of religion in the United States. Obama issued a proclamation last year but did not hold public events with religious leaders as former President George W. Bush had done.

Crabb wrote that her ruling shouldn’t be considered a bar to any prayer days until all appeals are exhausted. U.S. Justice Department attorneys who represented the federal government in the case were reviewing the ruling Thursday afternoon, agency spokesman Charles Miller said. He declined further comment.

Obama spokesman Matt Lehrich said in an e-mail to The Associated Press the president still plans to issue a proclamation for the next prayer day.

“As he did last year, President Obama intends to recognize a National Day of Prayer,” Lehrich said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/04/15/national/a124530D12.DTL#ixzz0na2sr8Eq

June 17, 2010 at 3:07 am
(168) paul says:

So no day of prayer. the sea will turn red with oil.a act of God or man? all will pay

July 29, 2010 at 7:49 pm
(169) Michael says:

This is chilling…
In 1952 President Truman established one day a year as a “National Day of Prayer.”
In 1988 President Reagan designated the First Thursday in May of each year as the National Day of Prayer.
In June 2007 (then) Presidential Candidate Barack Obama declared that the USA Was no longer a Christian nation. This year President Obama canceled the 21st annual National Day of Prayer ceremony at the White House under the ruse Of “not wanting to offend anyone”
On September 25, 2009 from 4 am until 7 pm, a National Day of Prayer for the Muslim religion was Held on Capitol Hill, Beside the White House. There were over 50,000 Muslims that Day in D.C. HE PRAYS WITH THE MUSLIMS! I guess it Doesn’t matter if “Christians” Are offended by this event – We obviously Don’t count as “anyone” Anymore. The direction this country is headed should strike fear in the heart of every Christian, especially knowing that the Muslim religion believes that if Christians cannot be converted, they should be annihilated. This is not a Rumor ? Go to the website To confirm this info: ( http://www.islamoncapitolhill.com/ ) Pay particular attention to the very bottom of the page: “OUR TIME HAS COME” I hope that this information will stir your spirit. The words of 2 Chronicles 7:14 “If my people, Who are called by my Name, Will humble themselves And pray, And seek my face, and Turn from their Wicked ways, Then will I hear from Heaven And will forgive their Sin and will heal Their land.” We must pray for Our nation, our communities, Our families, and especially our children. They are the ones who are going to suffer the most. . If we don’t PRAY May God have Mercy. IN GOD WE TRUST. Please pass this on Maybe someone, somehow can figure out a way to put America back on the map as it was when we were growing up, a safe place to live, and by The Ten Commandments and Pledge of Allegiance. For Obama to continue as our president is an INSULT TO OUR FOUNDING FATHERS.

February 17, 2011 at 9:50 pm
(170) JIM says:

yOU ARE AN IDIOT. aLL THIS STUFF never HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

August 25, 2011 at 12:37 pm
(171) Herber says:

WHEN WILL IT BE REALIZED THAT THIS “PRESIDENT” IS
NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!! AND THAT
HE IS A FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIM???

TAQIYYA/Lying… APPLIED ALL THE WAY….that is all.

ALL but ALL his records are BLOCKED from view!!!

Obama(what is his real name??), became “President” by TAQIYYA/Lying and applying it ever since!!!

“AMERICA IS NO LONGER A CHRISTIAN NATION” He is declaring a NEW ISLAMIC STATE: YES, America!

Why was he elected?? Why he is not impeached???
Can this be the result of the inferior education… NOT KNOWING World History… producing an Ignoramus Nation?

August 25, 2011 at 1:13 pm
(172) Herber says:

all the leaders and representatives, lawmakers are scared to say or do against muslims …
THREAT WORKS!
DEATH TREATS WORK EVEN BETTER.

Islam IS!!! RADICAL.
NOT: Radical Islam, as if non radical Islam would exist.
Koran says it all.

August 1, 2010 at 2:56 am
(173) GregemH says:

You dumb brainwashed Americans, If you want to pray soo much, pray for the millions of inocent people you have mamed and murderd throughout the world. Its no surprise you are the most hated race on earth. And the most ignorant.

May 10, 2011 at 11:52 am
(174) Vekole says:

No – what’s ignorant is that you think “Americans” are a race. America is a “country” made up of people of different races from around the world.

August 3, 2010 at 11:58 am
(175) Alan says:

It is almost impossibile to be a conservative and a real Christian at the same time.
Jesus’s ministry taught tolerance, love, unconditional forgiveness, he didn’t devel on sex of any type, he is all about helping the sick and the poor unconditionally. bubba christians need to go back and re-read the Gospels.

August 5, 2010 at 10:19 am
(176) prophetess says:

what our president is doing is offensive to the christians,
however we must open our eyes and see. We are devided among ourselves and our message of Jesus is not as effective because our lives are opposing to his word. Of Course we are the light but when the light dims then the darkness gets greater. you must admit there is no varience to the muslims belief on prayer and the atheists belief. Many christians only pray during troubled times. Others too busy to pray. NO consistancy in prayer. these people are consistant in season and out of season. our children dont even see many family pray and family prayer is out of the homes. Let us as christians examine ourselves start praying with our families in our homes and then it will be honored once more. Obama is here to set the scene for the “Gobal one world order” it is the end of Times. REad you History Book “the Bible”

August 16, 2010 at 4:32 pm
(177) tom griffin says:

Hmmm won’t reconize National Prayer Day at the White House, the Peoples House, but will celebrate the Muslum Holy day of Ramadon????? He want’s to allow a Mosk to be built in the shadow to the Twin Towers though. He also wants us to apologize to Japan for the Atomic Bombs. What is next a Japaneese shrine on the site of the Arizona Memorial?

If we are not careful this man will be the first dictator of the United States of America.

September 15, 2010 at 9:56 am
(178) Em K says:

Yes he cancelled National Prayer day, but this October 15, 2010 there will be 100,000 muslims praying at Capitol Hill.

check out website islamcapitolhill.com

Nat’l day of Prayer for Muslims at 1:00pm

last year on 9/25 there were 50,000 muslims holding prayer day from 4-7 pm on Capitol Hill.

Wake up people

September 21, 2010 at 8:52 am
(179) Ashley says:

It’s funny how the arguement gets lost in the people bashing. But to get to the point
-One, it doesn’t matter what Obama does, he will always offend someone, just as every other President before him.
-Two, for the guy wanting an apology from the Christians… it probably wont happen. As humans we hate being wrong. Some may, but it would take the day of prayer event to be reinstated for that to even happen, not just the attempt. Until then it would be considered nothing more then another rumor that may or may not be true.
-Three, what exactly is wrong with equality.. people say they want it, but no one really seems to. Some think getting rid of the “Christian day of prayer” and holding the Muslim day of prayer is showing equality because it allows for a separation of church and state?? (kind of ironic I think) and some think only having the Christian day of prayer is showing equality. First… who actually said the day of prayer was only for Christians? Many religions practice prayer. If it’s called the Christian day of prayer, than I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that it is simply the day of prayer. and two… how is getting rid of one but having the other equal?? why can’t we have both?? I mean, according to some comments we do and some we don’t, and to be frank, I don’t feel like researching to find the truth. Either way, if the white house hosts one it should host the other. I’m not saying Obama has to participate in both. He is not Christian and it would be un-American to force him to participate. But equality would mean the white house hosts both or none at all. (and for those who don’t think Obama should have to do both, he is the president. He can handle stepping up and being the bigger person. It’s not just him hosting it, it’s the white house (fed govn’t)hosting it as well.)

September 21, 2010 at 8:53 am
(180) Ashley says:

continued…
-Four, as a Christian I think it is ridiculous that everyone is bashing Christians for posting comments. According to most comments a good Christian should practice better humility and not pass judgement. Which is completely true, but unlikely to happen, and applies to all humanity, not just Christians. By doing this you are being a good person, not just a Christian. But either way, christians are human just as everyone else. They sin, judge, hold grudges, and pass opinions that may or may not be educated and fueled by anger. Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether anyone else agrees is a totally different story. And yes, some Christians hold themselves to a higher level, which is dumb, because they just have further to fall. People need to listen to each other. People get wrapped around their own ideas and refuse to listen to others. This is the cause of conflict. Everyone knows it, but know one wants to correct it.

November 4, 2010 at 7:32 pm
(181) Ashleigh says:

TED

As a matter of a fact this country was founded as christian land. The pilgrims actually moved here to practice their christianity! Another thing, on the one dollar bill it says IN GOD WE TRUST. So please explain to me how you got your info that we arent a christian nation? :)

February 5, 2011 at 6:19 pm
(182) dollfriend says:

Since when is God defined as just Christian? Jews are not Christian, but they worship the same God we do!

November 4, 2010 at 7:46 pm
(183) Jennifer says:

@Ashleigh I couldn’t agree with you more!!!

January 6, 2011 at 7:31 pm
(184) JESUSallday says:

Obama does seem to favor muslims more and cares way more if they are offended. I mean it doesn’t matter whether he’s christian, muslim, buddhist whatevr as long as he’s treating everything equal but it seems that he’s favoring muslims.anyone can say whatever about christians but Obama doesn’t care, but when it comes to muslims he doesn’t want them to get offended..give me a break!

February 3, 2011 at 6:48 pm
(185) Paul Edwards says:

This urbanlegend is non-sense, Obama did cancel the National Day of Prayer Ceremony, the one held annually at the White House, and he did spend day honoring the Muslim Faith, we dont give a rats ass what the name of the day was called. The bottom line, you are nothing more than a propaganda tool for the left. Sorry, I am being objective and thats the way I see it..

February 3, 2011 at 6:50 pm
(186) Paul Edwards says:

Latisha, you dont know squat about history, it took WWII to get out of the Depression.. Spending only extended the depression…

February 9, 2011 at 3:33 am
(187) ant says:

Hmmmmmm, ok where should I begin? I do not and will claim to be an expert and I will do my best to be correct in what I say here, if it turns out that I make an inaccurrate statement please do not attack me. Just tell me because I am not perfect and wish to be corrected when necessary. I have only one negative comment (though I hope tot turn it positive with that person…) for a specific “author,” because this being an American issue will stand up for my country, my(American)self, and even my fellow Americans with whom I disagree for they too enjoy the same Constitutional freedoms as myself, no more or no less…. @GregemH— where do you live? I am forced to make an assumption (due to your lack of disclosure), that you are not American and that you do not live in the U.S. You express an ignorance that is at least equal to that which you accuse the American people of having. If you are not American, shut-up and butt out! If you are also a Muslim, I emphatically reiterate, SHUT-UP!!!!! The last “shut-up” is not because you are a Muslim, but because you are representative of the small percentage of Muslims who give the rest of the Islamic world a bad name, I agree with some of what you said…but I can not convince other Americans of our faults and short comings keeping my own “house” in order if you do what we Americans are so hated for in our dealings with the Muslim world, meddle. There are good people on all sides of this most unholy mess. Prove your righteousness, if you are not the fanatic I have asssumed you to be, then, please accept my apology for my inaccurate assumption of your character and help me by cleaning your house. Then by beginning a dialogue with me so that we may understand each other and help each other to find peace and the true path to GOD which we can then share in “Our own separate Houses.” Peace, Out.

February 9, 2011 at 7:51 am
(188) ant says:

The issue: Did President Obama cancel the
National Day of Prayer(NDP)? Answer: No, the confusion (and I am trying to be diplomatic…), is the result of the President deciding not to observe the NDP at the White House in the same manner as his predecessor GW. Also, he is a Christian. A term applied very liberally in this thread and in reference to the religious preference of our “founding fathers” and presidents.

February 10, 2011 at 5:01 am
(189) JJV says:

@David: In order to come out of a recession, it is necessary to spend money. If you research how FDR got America out of the Great Depression years ago, it took spending money to do it.
***********************************************

If you knew your history you would then know Roosevelts spending programs did NOTHING to improve the economy and in fact did great harm. It was our getting into WW which began the process of turning the economy around.

March 28, 2011 at 2:57 pm
(190) Beau says:

It is called the “National day of Prayer”, not the “Christian day of Prayer”! Take the day to pray to whatever god you pray to! Yes, Christians are the ones planning the largest events and spreading the word “loudest”, but I don’t get what the fuss is all about. If Jews, Muslims or Hindus want to join in the day set aside by our nation to pray, there is nothing stopping them. Obama is going to be out soon, let’s just hope he doesn’t screw things up too much before then!

July 19, 2011 at 2:39 pm
(191) r_r says:

>implying we all pray to someone.

August 25, 2011 at 12:32 pm
(192) Herber says:

that “hope” calls for a National MONTH! of Prayer.

WHEN WILL IT BE REALIZED THAT THIS “PRESIDENT” IS
NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!! AND THAT
HE IS A FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIM???

TAQIYYA/Lying… APPLIED ALL THE WAY….that is all.

ALL but ALL his records are BLOCKED from view!!!

Obama(what is his real name??), became “President” by TAQIYYA/Lying AND applying it ever since!!!

“AMERICA IS NO LONGER A CHRISTIAN NATION” He is declaring a NEW ISLAMIC STATE: YES, America!

Why was he elected?? Why he is not impeached???
Can this be the result of inferior education… NOT KNOWING World History… producing an Ignoramus Nation?

August 25, 2011 at 3:33 pm
(193) David Emery says:

“Can this be the result of inferior education… NOT KNOWING World History… producing an Ignoramus Nation?”

Point well proven.

April 14, 2011 at 6:33 pm
(194) joyce l ayer says:

to Dan’
wow! God says “Thou shall not Kill” and do not suffer the little children, let them come unto Me. Abortion is not relativly new, people cut the babies out of the bellies of women back then also just to kill.
joy

April 30, 2011 at 3:47 am
(195) jeff says:

ISIAIh 41 BRING forth your IDOLS did they PREACH to you see they can’t speak they can’t DO ANYTHING all they do is cause confusion. spalms 115 and spalms 135 thier IDOLS are FALSE cant speak can’t hear cant smell and those that make them shall become like them. Jeremiah 10 they nail their IDOL down like a scarecrow it can’t move can’…t speak can’t move must be carried these are nothing but the WORK of CON men.john 10 jesus christ sais his sheep hear his voice and another voice thy will not follow and if another person tries to preach to them they WILL FLEE from him. jeremiah 5 the priests bear rule on their own authority what will you do when your judged my word is not inside them. Now here is the kicker john 5 son of man voice goes back in time mathew 16 jesus christ claims to be the son of man.‎1 cor2 mind of CHRIST preached internally and john 16 sais the spirit of truth comes in the future. Ezekiel 13 lying prophets of ISRAEL my word is not inside them saying god sais god sais god sais wrote hoping mankind would CONFIRM their WORDS. all of this is EASILY verifiable.

November 23, 2011 at 2:16 pm
(196) Wynn Silence says:

November 21 -2011,
I just contacted Obama’s super committee that fail at deficit talks if they opened the process with prayer. No response!
Any questions?

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